Posted on 02/18/2007 2:31:51 PM PST by Spiff
Trying to read too much into any 2008 poll at this point, especially with respect to horserace numbers, is somewhat silly and a waste of time. But a recent FOX News poll does have some interesting tidbits in the internals asking about voters' general impressions on issues.
Are you more who are more or less likely to support a candidate who is pro-choice on the issue of abortion? Republicans only: More likely 22 percent (a lot more likely 12 percent, somewhat more likely 10 percent). Less likely 46 percent (a lot less likely 36 percent, somewhat less likely 10 percent). Not a major factor 30 percent. Are you more who are more or less likely to support a candidate who supports civil unions for gays and lesbians? Republicans only: More likely 8 percent (a lot more likely 5 percent, somewhat more likely 3 percent). Less likely 50 percent (a lot less likely 39 percent, somewhat less likely 11 percent). Not a major factor 38 percent. [snip]
The biggest red flag for Giuliani has to be that only 42 percent of Republicans surveyed correctly identified him as pro-choice. Twenty-one percent of Republican voters have it wrong and think Giuliani is pro-life, and another 36 percent of Republicans don't have a clue what his position on abortion. In other words, nearly six out of 10 registered Republican voters have yet to learn something about Giuliani which, we can infer from the first question on abortion, will make close to half of them either "somewhat" less likely or "a lot" less likely to vote for him. There's no doubt the same holds true of his position on civil unions for gays, and the Second Amendment as well.Running the Republican Numbers on Rudy
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The lies about abortion persisted up to and including 1973 when the USSC infamously legalized it.
We now know Planned Parenthood and the NARAL crowd all along wanted (1) abortion on demand with the govt picking up the tab, (2) abortion as birth control, (3) multiple abortions for convenience, (4) abortion when sex of the child is unwanted, (5) abortion for every conceivable birth defect.....ans and last but certainly not least, (6) partial birth abortion (read infanticide).
Once these savages start the killing----who knows where it will end? And Giuliani will be on their side all the way.
Rudy is not just "pro-abortion." Rudy is joined at the hip to the most radical pro-abortion elements---NARAL, Planned Parenthood and the rest of the abortion-on-demand-with-the-govt-picking-up-the-tab crowd.
Giuliani used his Mayoral term to advance abortion EVEN THOUGH, AS MAYOR, HE HAD NO LEGISLATIVE OR OFFICIAL MANDATE TO DO DO SO.
From the FEC database: 04/24/1999 Donations
NEW YORK STATE NARAL INC WOMEN'S HEALTH PAC
NARAL donated exclusively to Democrat candidates with one exception----Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani accepted $1,000 from NARAL in 1999.
NARAL gave $250 to Hillary Rodham Clinton.
NARAL gave $1000---4 times as much-----to pro-abortion Giuliani.
Clearly, NARAL trusted Rudy's pro-abortion credentials, and Rudy's willingness to advance NARAL's radical abortion-on-demand agenda, even more than NARAL trusted Hillary.
Rudy was the honored guest speaker and made The Opening Remarks to the N.A.R.A.L. "Champions of Choice" Luncheon few years back.
In a CNN interview, Giuliani indicated he does not support even a modest ban on the gruesome partial-birth abortion procedure saying, "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing." Giuliani also indicated he would have upheld President Clinton's veto of the partial-birth abortion ban.
Mayor Rudy told Phil Donahue he'd give his daughter the money for an abortion (to get rid of his own grandchild).
In summation----pro-lifers are merely treating Rudy's 2008 candidacy the way he's treated unborn children-------as a disposable nuisance.
Who do you think you are to declare what is "more important"?
"Rudy's got my vote. It's time for an effective executive who can get positive things done for the next eight years."
He doesn't have mine.
Abortion
Immigration
Gun Control
"just like Hillary but better"
No longer cuts it.
Declare it for yourself. You don't get to decide what is more important to the person who made the chart, or anyone else, for that matter.
Uhm, this person makes an incomplete and incorrect list of positions and declares that it is THE litmus test of conservatism. Sheer nonsense. That person doesn't get to decide for other people.
If you read and, more importantly, COMPREHEND, the MULTITUDE of issues that RINO-rudy is on the WRONG (LIBERAL) side of, you'll understand why we are so adamant about not letting this RINO get far in his run for the WH.
issues with which someone's not likely to be concerned once the terrorists strike and kill him.
To paraphrase Ben Franklin, "Those that would give up liberty for PERCEIVED (with a liberal RINO OR a dem in charge) security, deserve neither". As someone pointed out, MILLIONS of innocent children have been murdered by abortionists fully supported by RINO-rudy and his ilk. How many have been killed by the terrorist enemy we now face?
The point is though, that we CAN, and SHOULD, put our support behind a TRUE CONSERVATIVE who will prosecute the WoT 'til VICTORY is achieved (or, failing that, kill as many of the bastards as we possibly can) AND, and this is a BIG AND, protect and defend our 2nd Amendment RIGHTS and the right of the unborn to LIVE (among other, extremely important issues).
Also, it claims that Hillary supports the War on Terror, which is false,
Read the small print that Spiff includes.
It claims that Hillary supports the Patriot Act,
Again, read the small print.
Rudy, on the other hand, campaigned for Mike DeWine,
WONDERFUL, a flaming RINO supporting another FLAMING RINO.
It omits many important issues: crime, national security, limited government, low taxation, issues of utmost importance.
If you don't consider the LIFE or DEATH issue of Abortion, and the CONSTITUTIONAL issue of our 2nd Amendment RIGHTS, "issues of utmost importance", something is wrong with you.
Spiff has included in his chart, many related issues, but if you break the main categories down, you still have: abortion, embryonic stem cell research, the gay agenda, illegal aliens, the 2nd Amendment & gun control, the WoT, and the Patriot Act. Many of these issues are related to what you say Spiff left our. For instance, you say he left our "national security". I'd say that is included, in Spiff's chart, under the Patriot Act, WoT, illegal aliens AND our 2nd Amendment rights.
Additionally, RINO-rudy's idea of "crime" fighting, like clinton and the dems (and RINOs) "Crime Omnibus Bill of 1996", is grabbing guns from EVERYONE, including law-abiding citizens. Also, gun grabbing on a large, liberal RINO/DEM scale can NOT be accomplished with "limited" government.
As far as taxation goes, I believe someone else posted that RINO-rudy, like his liberal demonRAT brethren, had actually RAISED taxes while mayor (somebody help me with the reference to this).
I don't think Spiff would mind adding these issues to RINO-rudy's list of FAILURES as a "conservative", "moderate", or whatever he is being called by his RINO-rudy-Rooters on any given day.
RINO-rudy is 99% LIBERAL... PERIOD.
Why do you insist on denying this or dismissing it as insignificant?
Prosecuting criminals, financial responsibility and being a booster of the city, state and nation are the mere basics demanded by conservatives.
No doubt Rudy is a pretty good guy, he'd be interesting and fun to talk with, but he's not going to get my vote.
On the guns issue alone, he very enthusiastically used gun control and still ongoing lawsuits against law abiding gun dealers and manufacturers while mayor of New York city.
Now he says while that was good for NYC, it might not be good for the rest of America. That's just not good enough.
Just as Clinton's promised a middle class tax cut turned into the largest tax increase in the history of the world, I can see Rudy telling us how he worked harder than he ever worked before, but he's just going to have to confiscate our guns. No Thanks!
You just don't GET IT.
That AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
I, and MANY TRUE CONSERVATIVES like me will NOT sell our principles and convictions out by supporting and voting for a LIBERAL of ANY stripe - RINO or demonRAT, SO...
Let's STOP this nonsense NOW and get behind a fellow TRUE CONSERVATIVE.
This will be my last reply to you, since you appear to be a HOPELESS case, OR...
On RINO-rudy's payroll.
I agree 100%. Get the hell out of my GOP!
Someone is in a serious delusion.. and denial..
And I don't think SLAPPING THEM will get their attention..
I don't get it. First you try to make a deterministic claim, that it just isn't goona happen. Then, you will say that you yourself will not vote for Rudy. When Rudy gets the nomination, you will have to decide whether you are willing to deny Hillary the Presidency, or not.
Right now, I support Rudy and Romney. If Mark Sanford gets in the race, I will support him too.
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