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Running the Republican Numbers on Rudy (50% won't support liberal, 57% don't know Rudy is)
Fox News ^ | 18 February 2007 | Tom Bevan

Posted on 02/18/2007 2:31:51 PM PST by Spiff

Running the Republican Numbers on Rudy

Trying to read too much into any 2008 poll at this point, especially with respect to horserace numbers, is somewhat silly and a waste of time. But a recent FOX News poll does have some interesting tidbits in the internals asking about voters' general impressions on issues.

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Are you more who are more or less likely to support a candidate who is pro-choice on the issue of abortion? Republicans only: More likely 22 percent (a lot more likely 12 percent, somewhat more likely 10 percent). Less likely 46 percent (a lot less likely 36 percent, somewhat less likely 10 percent). Not a major factor 30 percent.

Are you more who are more or less likely to support a candidate who supports civil unions for gays and lesbians? Republicans only: More likely 8 percent (a lot more likely 5 percent, somewhat more likely 3 percent). Less likely 50 percent (a lot less likely 39 percent, somewhat less likely 11 percent). Not a major factor 38 percent.

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The biggest red flag for Giuliani has to be that only 42 percent of Republicans surveyed correctly identified him as pro-choice. Twenty-one percent of Republican voters have it wrong and think Giuliani is pro-life, and another 36 percent of Republicans don't have a clue what his position on abortion. In other words, nearly six out of 10 registered Republican voters have yet to learn something about Giuliani which, we can infer from the first question on abortion, will make close to half of them either "somewhat" less likely or "a lot" less likely to vote for him. There's no doubt the same holds true of his position on civil unions for gays, and the Second Amendment as well.


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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: giuliani; gungrabber; msmcandidate; rino; rudy; rudyasureloser; rudytrolls
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To: Elyse

Research? Are you saying I should not take the man at his word? He got up on national TV (FOX NEWS Hannity and Colmes) and told the nation exactly what he believes in no uncertain terms. Woman's right to choose. Roe vs Wade settled law. Gay unions (marriage) and protect "gay rights." Gun control. Then he said he knows he will lose a lot of votes from those who don't agree with his point of view (that'd be us) but he's pretty much set in his ways and won't change.

He's a full blooded liberal abortionist, gay rights supporting gun grabber and proud of it.


321 posted on 02/18/2007 9:51:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson (If the party runs a social liberal for president it's a kick in the teeth to its conservative base.)
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To: Elyse; Politicalmom
Anyway, I can't believe that you can't respect a person's opinion because they make a typo. How does researching a subject keep you from making a typo?

I may be wrong, but I believe that the typo was entirely intentional. It was a way of expressing disdain for a pro-abortionist northeast liberal who stands to destroy the Republican Party.

322 posted on 02/18/2007 10:03:29 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Jim Robinson; republicanwizard; Spiff
Research? Are you saying I should not take the man at his word? He got up on national TV (FOX NEWS Hannity and Colmes) and told the nation exactly what he believes in no uncertain terms. Woman's right to choose. Roe vs Wade settled law. Gay unions (marriage) and protect "gay rights." Gun control. Then he said he knows he will lose a lot of votes from those who don't agree with his point of view (that'd be us) but he's pretty much set in his ways and won't change.

He's a full blooded liberal abortionist, gay rights supporting gun grabber and proud of it.

Jim, I think you meant for that to go to republicanwizard so I'm passing it on.

323 posted on 02/18/2007 10:12:39 PM PST by Elyse (I refuse to feed the crocodile.)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Great post!

Especially when you consider how many children are aborted every day world-wide. It has to be a staggering number.

According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute (Planned Parenthood) almost a quarter of all unborn children are aborted. They estimate 210 million children are conceived and 22% of them are aborted as of 1999. That would mean that 126,575 children are aborted every day worldwide

324 posted on 02/18/2007 10:25:24 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: JCEccles
Rudy is for gay marriage. He just doesn't call it that. He prefers to use the euphemism "civil unions." He thinks people are too stupid to see through the word games.

Being twice divorced, he also seems to prefer to use marriage as a euphemism for "serial monogamy until someone comes along that he likes better".

325 posted on 02/18/2007 11:13:26 PM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Spiff

No, he isn't and no matter how many times you post that, it won't make it true.


326 posted on 02/18/2007 11:53:41 PM PST by nopardons
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To: LtdGovt
Don't be deceived by Spiff's post. He disregards important issues and pretends that Hillary supports the WOT.

If Spiff is wrong on any of those issues listed in his table, spell it out, point-by-point.

I've seen video, read stories from major newspapers, etc. that tell the story of RINO-rudy, and often, from his own mouth (i.e., the video of him, as mayor of The Peoples Republic of nyc, instigating a FRIVOLOUS lawsuit against the firearms industry, for the criminal use of firearms in his liberal Nanny/Police-State).

327 posted on 02/19/2007 3:49:56 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: DocH; Spiff
Spiff...

Don't be deceived by Spiff's post. He disregards important issues and pretends that Hillary supports the WOT.

If Spiff is wrong on any of those issues listed in his table, spell it out, point-by-point.

I've seen video, read stories from major newspapers, etc. that tell the story of RINO-rudy, and often, from his own mouth (i.e., the video of him, as mayor of The Peoples Republic of nyc, instigating a FRIVOLOUS lawsuit against the firearms industry, for the criminal use of firearms in his liberal Nanny/Police-State).

328 posted on 02/19/2007 3:51:42 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: LtdGovt

You are supposed to notify someone when you refer to them in a post.


329 posted on 02/19/2007 6:28:26 AM PST by Politicalmom ("Always vote for principle...and your vote is never lost."-John Quincy Adams)
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To: DocH

There are about 150 issues when it comes to abortion and queers, issues with which someone's not likely to be concerned once the terrorists strike and kill him.

Also, it claims that Hillary supports the War on Terror, which is false, she would surrender. It claims that Hillary supports the Patriot Act, because she voted with the Democratic leadership, while that's absolute nonsense. As president, she would act differently. Rudy, on the other hand, campaigned for Mike DeWine, saying that he could help save the Patriot Act.

It omits many important issues: crime, national security, limited government, low taxation, issues of utmost importance.


330 posted on 02/19/2007 6:50:12 AM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Spiff
According to the Alan Guttmacher Institute (Planned Parenthood) almost a quarter of all unborn children are aborted. They estimate 210 million children are conceived and 22% of them are aborted as of 1999. That would mean that 126,575 children are aborted every day worldwide

Mostly in Christian and Communist countries. Islam outslaws abortion. Does that mean that Christian countries are evil, while Islam is a terrific religion? Shouldn't we hoping that the Islamists take over America. At least they would prohibit women from having abortions and gays from living. No worries about the sanctity of marriage!
331 posted on 02/19/2007 6:52:05 AM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: LtdGovt
Mostly in Christian and Communist countries. Islam outslaws abortion. Does that mean that Christian countries are evil, while Islam is a terrific religion? Shouldn't we hoping that the Islamists take over America. At least they would prohibit women from having abortions and gays from living. No worries about the sanctity of marriage!

Your strawmen are moronic. Go away.

332 posted on 02/19/2007 6:57:20 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff
Your strawmen are moronic. Go away.

It's not a strawman, it's a question. Would you support an Islamist takeover of America if it would save millions of babies a year, and get rid of the queers?
333 posted on 02/19/2007 7:01:00 AM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: LtdGovt
Also, it claims that Hillary supports the War on Terror, which is false, she would surrender. It claims that Hillary supports the Patriot Act, because she voted with the Democratic leadership, while that's absolute nonsense. As president, she would act differently. Rudy, on the other hand, campaigned for Mike DeWine, saying that he could help save the Patriot Act.

The chart is not wholly based upon what the candidates are saying right now to get elected. In fact, the chart takes into account and weighs more heavily past performance and statements before a presidential run was announced. If you will notice, the entries for Hillary's views on the War in Iraq and the Patriot Act are colored pink - not red - demonstrating weak or changed support for those things. Each one also has a qualifier to help the astute reader understand that the position is based upon an actual vote. In the case of the Patriot Act, Hillary voted for it two times. In the case of the War in Iraq, she voted for it once. There's a lot of rhetoric coming out of her mouth now, but that doesn't change the fact that she voted for it.

That being said, even if you disagree with the last 3 items in the chart, that doesn't erase the rest of the chart. It would only show that Giuliani is in disagreement with Hillary on just 3 items on the chart, ignoring the rest of the chart entirely.

334 posted on 02/19/2007 7:06:01 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff

Amazing. A 2003 vote is more important than what she would do as President? I could make President Bush seem to the left of Howard Dean, if I was as dishonest.

By the way, it's not 'the chart'. It's your fabrication, centered around social issues. It's the economic issues that are more important and that you completely ignore.


335 posted on 02/19/2007 7:13:57 AM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: LtdGovt
It's not a strawman, it's a question. Would you support an Islamist takeover of America if it would save millions of babies a year, and get rid of the queers?

Obviously, no. The question is ridiculous.

336 posted on 02/19/2007 7:18:55 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: LtdGovt
Would you support an Islamist takeover of America if it would save millions of babies a year, and get rid of the queers?

The Republican Party Platform contains language that seeks an end to abortion and in opposition to the gay agenda. Do you think that the Republican Party supports an Islamist takeover of America to accomplish those goals? Jim Robinson, our host here, believes similarly about those issues. Do you think that he supports an Islamist takeover of America?

Your offensive strawmen and questions are designed specifically to ridicule and paint as extreme traditional social conservative views. I ask that you knock it off. Harassing people for their conservative views is not appropriate for a conservative forum.

337 posted on 02/19/2007 7:43:32 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff
Obviously, no. The question is ridiculous.

Why not? Don't you think that Islamist domination will cause less deaths than the number of abortions?
338 posted on 02/19/2007 8:06:12 AM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Spiff

This is not about the Republican Party, President Bush, or anyone else, this is about you. And asking a question is certainly not harassment. I just want to know what you would be willing to give up to end the 'holocaust'. Cause I assure you, even if Roe is overturned, a majority of the states will keep abortion legal, and the 'holocaust' will continue.


339 posted on 02/19/2007 8:08:15 AM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Spiff

Wow. This thread really got their panties in a twist, didn't it. Nice work!


340 posted on 02/19/2007 8:13:37 AM PST by Antoninus ("For some, the conservative constituency is an inconvenience. For me, it's my hope" -Duncan Hunter)
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