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Laws That Chilled Idea of Citizenship (Follow-Up on Tomas Contreras, Held at Border)
The Wisconsin State Journal ^ | February 17, 2007 | Susan Lampert-Smith

Posted on 02/18/2007 11:32:16 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

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1 posted on 02/18/2007 11:32:19 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin
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2 posted on 02/18/2007 11:35:14 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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Ping!


3 posted on 02/18/2007 11:37:54 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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And the 1996 law applied retroactively, meaning crimes committed long before could result in deportation.

I have some problem with the ex post facto nature of that law. I do know some judges are allowing folks to withdraw old guilty pleas because they were not fully informed of the consequences of the plea. I heard of a very conservative judge who did so just to give the feds a poke in the eye. I'm surprised this guy couldn't find a judge in Wisconsin who would grant a motion which would nullify the conviction.

4 posted on 02/18/2007 11:39:35 AM PST by PAR35
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His daughter, Carmen Contreras, said her father was caught in a dilemma that immigrants from many countries face. If he gave up his Mexican citizenship, he could no longer own property in that country. Carmen Contreras said that when the Mexican government recently changed the law, her father began the process of becoming an American citizen.

One thing that greatly irks me about our southern "neighbor" is that they insist that we treat them far more nicely than they treat us. If the restrictions on property ownership in Mexico were eliminated, things might improve there to the point that there would be fewer people trying to come here.

5 posted on 02/18/2007 11:39:43 AM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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I have some problem with the ex post facto nature of that law. I do know some judges are allowing folks to withdraw old guilty pleas because they were not fully informed of the consequences of the plea.

Unfortunately, similar ex-post-facto provisions still apply to the Lautenberg Abomination.

6 posted on 02/18/2007 11:41:15 AM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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If the restrictions on property ownership in Mexico were eliminated, things might improve there to the point that there would be fewer people trying to come here.

Which is precisely the point. If Mexico is ever allowed to develop a middle class, then it is the end of the monopoly on power by a handful of elite ruling families.

7 posted on 02/18/2007 11:46:33 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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notwithstanding the fact that it is MEXICO which requires them to give up citizenship once they become US citizens, not the other way around... but somehow we got to pay for that... sheesh... he need not stay in Mexico, forgo the money and go where the spirit lives on... but they want it both ways.


8 posted on 02/18/2007 12:07:20 PM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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His daughter, Carmen Contreras, said her father was caught in a dilemma that immigrants from many countries face. If he gave up his Mexican citizenship, he could no longer own property in that country. Carmen Contreras said that when the Mexican government recently changed the law, her father began the process of becoming an American citizen.

This is despicable!!! I'm a real American, IOW a native born citizen. I have no dual loyalty. I get treated like trash if I own property in Mexico. This guy wants the best of both worlds. Live here forever on a green card and have nice property to retire to and/or vacation to in Mexico

ZERO sympathy for this wise guy.
I could care less that he got tripped up on the border

Carmen is humorously naive to lay it all out so honestly

9 posted on 02/18/2007 12:19:48 PM PST by dennisw (What one man can do another can do -- "The Edge")
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notwithstanding the fact that it is MEXICO which requires them to give up citizenship once they become US citizens, not the other way around...

Right, but my point is that people complain about how the U.S. treats Mexicans without regard for the fact that it's far better than the way Mexicans treat non-Mexicans.

I wish the U.S. politicians pushing for fences and such would make clear in both speeches and legislative preambles that any harshness of the U.S. toward Mexico was in reciprocity for their harshness toward outsiders.

10 posted on 02/18/2007 12:19:48 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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notwithstanding the fact that it is MEXICO which requires them to give up citizenship once they become US citizens, not the other way around... but somehow we got to pay for that... sheesh... he need not stay in Mexico, forgo the money and go where the spirit lives on... but they want it both ways.

Mexico requires nothing now that I think about it. They could care less if a Mexican has US citizenship and does not renounce Mexican citizenship. It's don't ask, don't tell.

11 posted on 02/18/2007 12:23:00 PM PST by dennisw (What one man can do another can do -- "The Edge")
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"Being Canadian is part of my identity,"

This is the problem, people coming here and wanting to keep their countries identity, culture, language, customs. Prior generations that came here gave up there countries ways and became Americans. We need to change the laws so that you can only live here for about 5 years and either get out or become Americans. This is nonsense people living here for 18 years or longer and still thinking of themselves as something else. I was talking to a young man the other day who although born here, though his native language is Spanish. If he is a native of American his native language is English. We need to fight this multicultural BS. There should be one standard for all. One language, one country. Remember we are the UNITED STATES, not the Whatever States.

12 posted on 02/18/2007 12:27:49 PM PST by Exton1
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These people are drive by "Americans". They actually aren't Americans but they will live here forever and their children born here are Americans. They picked the best place to squat for 30 years and make money and a retirement back "home". But I can't see what loyalty they have to America. They laugh at us


13 posted on 02/18/2007 12:36:40 PM PST by dennisw (What one man can do another can do -- "The Edge")
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He rolled the dice and lost. Like he couldn't find a cut-out to hold property for him?


14 posted on 02/18/2007 12:37:31 PM PST by ikka
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They envision our country as a cash cow of which they can take advantage without having to have any loyalty or love or appreciation of the U.S. They see American patriots as either oppressors or dopes to be taken advantage of. They have no clue about democracy and only a very narrow understanding of capitalism and markets. Ultimately their loyalty and affection is fixed on their homelands -- unlike those who came before them. It all started to go down hill after the 1965 immigration bill that Splash Kennedy pushed through by lying about its potential consequences. We are living with that evil now.


15 posted on 02/18/2007 1:59:38 PM PST by 3AngelaD (ic.)
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"Being Canadian is part of my identity," she said. "My family is all there, my values were formed in that environment. The bottom line: I feel Canadian."

Then she needs to get her butt back to Canada.

16 posted on 02/18/2007 2:08:38 PM PST by GATOR NAVY (Naming CVNs after congressmen and mediocre presidents burns my butt)
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This is despicable!!! I'm a real American, IOW a native born citizen. I have no dual loyalty. I get treated like trash if I own property in Mexico. This guy wants the best of both worlds. Live here forever on a green card and have nice property to retire to and/or vacation to in Mexico

Agreed!

17 posted on 03/13/2007 1:22:32 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Shhh, I’m hunting RINOs.)
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"Being Canadian is part of my identity," she said. "My family is all there, my values were formed in that environment. The bottom line: I feel Canadian."

Then she needs to get her butt back to Canada.

Agreed!

18 posted on 03/13/2007 1:32:08 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (Shhh, I’m hunting RINOs.)
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guy wants the best of both worlds.

Ain't nothin' wrong with that. The problem is that far too many of our citizens (guided by the drive-by media) are all too eager to help them achieve it, at the expense of American citizens. If we're too weak to stop it, then I guess we deserve what we get. =^/

19 posted on 03/13/2007 1:33:41 PM PDT by Teacher317 (Are you familiar with the writings of Shan Yu?)
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ping back!


20 posted on 03/14/2007 12:54:20 AM PDT by dennisw (What one man can do another can do -- "The Edge")
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