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Pennington gets 8 years in Hamdania killing
North County Times ^ | February 17, 2007 | Mark Walker

Posted on 02/17/2007 7:09:03 PM PST by RedRover

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To: Girlene

Girlene I am curious to know why anyone who owes their freedom to the "first in fight" would believe foreign and domestic enemies in the first place.


21 posted on 02/18/2007 11:32:08 AM PST by lilycicero (SSgt Wuterich and his squad did their job well.)
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To: lilycicero

Well, hopefully most Americans don't. Hopefully, the truth of what happened in Hamdania is more important than proving a premise for the NCIS and prosecution. Two dozen investigators, 7,000 man hours, 100 interviews is a lot of effort - and this is only the NCIS's portion. Wonder how much this would have cost a defendant, out of his own pocket, of course.


22 posted on 02/18/2007 11:45:56 AM PST by Girlene
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To: freema

Well, since the same judge, Folsom, sat over the two sentencing hearings for Bacos and Pennington, you get a feel for what he thought the relative culpability of both were. He judged Bacos should get 10 years, Pennington should get 14, and both should be dishonorably discharged.

However, with the pre-agreed plea deals, Bacos gets only 10 months and stays an enlisted man, while Pennington gets 8 years and is dishonorably discharged. Seems like a much bigger discrepancy in the plea deals with regard to their culpability. I guess Bacos had a lot more to offer the prosecution and was, thus, rewarded.


23 posted on 02/18/2007 11:58:06 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

I've been looking at some of these reporters:

Iraqis accuse Marines of killing unarmed civilian
By Nancy A. Youssef
Knight Ridder Newspapers

A Knight Ridder special correspondent who could not be named for security reasons reported this story from Hamdania. Also, Knight Ridder special correspondent Zaineb Obeid contributed to this report.

SURPRISE: Nancy worked in Detroit before getting promoted to DC
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Baghdad suffers its worst day of carnage in more than a month

By LEILA FADEL and ZAINEB OBEID

McClatchy Newspapers special correspondents Laith Hammoudi, Mohammed al Awsy and a correspondent who cannot be named for security reasons contributed to this report.
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Oh, I found Hashim Ibrahim Awad's FUNERAL VIDEO easy enough.


24 posted on 02/18/2007 12:22:06 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: lilycicero; Girlene

No surprise that ANYBODY'S confused, lily! This is a perfect example of the Chaos Theory.


25 posted on 02/18/2007 12:26:15 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Girlene

Staying an enlisted man could be his worst nightmare.


26 posted on 02/18/2007 12:27:30 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema
So the bottom line was for these Marines to seize a known terrorist and kill him as an example. The picked the wrong guy.
Would it had been acceptable under their ROE to capture and kill a known terrorist. This is something at least I have to grapple with even though I so much want to see them all get off the hook.
27 posted on 02/18/2007 5:43:40 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: Marine_Uncle

Kill. Or be killed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1786880/posts


28 posted on 02/18/2007 8:05:25 PM PST by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Girlene; lilycicero
So I put up a Hamdania Marines page.

It's not very full yet. It's mostly links to every NC Times story, but it's a start. Now I can fill it with other stories and commentary (of which there hasn't been much since Bascos made a deal with the devil).

Having a Hamdania page also means I can keep the Haditha page focused.

See you guys tomorrow!

29 posted on 02/18/2007 8:42:43 PM PST by RedRover
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To: Girlene; lilycicero
Here's a fun fact! I just checked my stats and found that I've posted a total of 86 threads and 6,663 replies.

So two more replies after this one and I'll have made 6,666 replies in my time at FR. Hope that'll be a lucky number.

30 posted on 02/18/2007 9:04:45 PM PST by RedRover
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To: RedRover

You have been busy with the Hamdania page. Very high brow place to check out:) Good luck with your 6666th reply.


31 posted on 02/19/2007 7:05:38 AM PST by lilycicero (SSgt Wuterich and his squad did their job well.)
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To: lilycicero

Just in case it is lucky...


32 posted on 02/19/2007 7:22:07 AM PST by RedRover (www.JustinSharratt.com)
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To: lilycicero

MAKE A WISH!


33 posted on 02/19/2007 7:22:37 AM PST by RedRover (www.JustinSharratt.com)
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To: RedRover

It's a biggie WISH for the Marines. We always get what we want.


34 posted on 02/19/2007 8:49:46 AM PST by lilycicero (SSgt Wuterich and his squad did their job well.)
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To: freema

Let us hope a large number of Americans as well as our supposed allies, world wide do realize these brave men and women are doing their best under often extreme conditions, and sometimes simply do not have the options one is afforded in a civil society where people are not running around with guns and bombs strapped to themselves.


35 posted on 02/19/2007 9:15:53 AM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: RedRover

What an awesome job you have done with this link. There's a little typo near the end under A Military Justice System Gone Amok. The title for the link to Donald King Case should be Daniel King Case.

Great work!


36 posted on 02/19/2007 9:48:18 AM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene
Thanks so much! A correction is uploading as I clack this message. Also, I added details of plea deals for all the Marines who've taken them to date.
37 posted on 02/19/2007 10:40:58 AM PST by RedRover (www.JustinSharratt.com)
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To: lilycicero
I'm a Guiding Light man myself. Today's show was excellent! Who shot Alan Spalding? WOO-HOO!
38 posted on 02/19/2007 11:00:19 AM PST by RedRover (www.JustinSharratt.com)
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To: RedRover

Good job on all the Hamdania information. I don't think Bacos gets a general discharge. I think he will remain enlisted until 2008. I read this somewhere, but couldn't find it for you, so you may want to leave it as is.

One question that's been nagging me throughout this case is:
WHERE IS SALEH GOWAD?

This whole case has centered on killing the wrong guy when the unit originally wanted Gowad. What was he wanted for, where is he now, and how was he connected with this family? Gowad was supposedly a neighbor of Awad. A cousin and a brother were also neighbors. Where does Gowad fit into this neighborhood/family scheme and where is he now?


39 posted on 02/19/2007 11:33:53 AM PST by Girlene
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To: RedRover

You could not have planned this to happen: after your Young and Restless crack, "cricket" posted a response. Now I do not watch YNR, but I do know there is a Cricket on the show, Chuckles! I am a wishy washy Days fan.

BTW, MR GUIDING LIGHT...can we fight crazy with crazy? I will frpmail my whacky idea.


40 posted on 02/19/2007 11:49:51 AM PST by lilycicero (SSgt Wuterich and his squad did their job well.)
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