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World 'at tipping point over global warming' (McCain)
Telegraph UK ^ | February 17, 2007 | Alex Massie and Toby Harnden

Posted on 02/17/2007 8:25:15 AM PST by calcowgirl

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To: JoeFromSidney
As for "saving" the environment, every square inch of the Earth has at one time or another been buried under lava, or submerged under the sea, or scraped clean by glaciers, or turned into a desert, or something like that. The "envirnoment" right now is a snapshot of an Earth on the way from one condition to another one. What's so important about saving this particular environment?

The otherwise unemployable, the incompetent and the demagogues can milk the crises, and us, to death.

That's what's so important!

41 posted on 02/17/2007 9:19:20 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: You Dirty Rats

Well the debate over whether or not McLame will ever be President is over.
I had already counted him out over the Campaign Reform legislation--joining with Feingold, for Pete's sake. They don't get any more lib than that.

This global warming tactic is just too much. He is also on the wrong side of Immigratioin Reform.

vaudine


42 posted on 02/17/2007 9:20:41 AM PST by vaudine
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To: calcowgirl

I don't vote for people who want to turn the country into a theocracy. Especially an environmentalist theocracy.


43 posted on 02/17/2007 9:25:34 AM PST by narby
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To: JoeFromSidney
This phrase always ticks me off. By definition, the environment always exists. There was an environment when the Earth was a ball of hot lava; there was an environment when muich of it was covered with glaciers; there was an environment when the glaciers melted.

I have always disdained the word, from its first popular use in the 60s by the drug addled and the marginally functional, who printed millions of ENVIRONMENT NOW! bumper stickers for their smoke-belching Volkswagens vans, and quilted the same moronic phrase on blankets and backpacks.

To this day, the mental deficients who use it can't even spell it properly.

44 posted on 02/17/2007 9:27:50 AM PST by Publius6961 (MSM: Israelis are killed by rockets; Lebanese are killed by Israelis.)
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To: calcowgirl

See, I told you McCain was a Democrat. Now, do you believe me?


45 posted on 02/17/2007 9:29:27 AM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: calcowgirl

Alaska has four times the CO2 emissions (why do they call it emissions when it is exhaust?) per capita of the Lower 48, and it is -11 this morning and we had a 4.9 earthquake. Just an example of collecting unrelated data like post-Islam China.


46 posted on 02/17/2007 9:29:43 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: calcowgirl

Well there he goes, proving without a shadow of doubt that he is a POLITICIAN, first and foremost! Drift a few points into the Warmist's camp and snap up some "Libbo" votes! Now we know what you really are.


47 posted on 02/17/2007 9:50:57 AM PST by Eighth Square
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To: calcowgirl
Antarctic temperatures beg to differ.
48 posted on 02/17/2007 10:15:47 AM PST by sono (There are only two exit strategies - One is victory, the other defeat - Joe Lieberman)
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To: calcowgirl

Hard to believe a Republican candidate drinking the leftist KoolAid.


49 posted on 02/17/2007 10:30:46 AM PST by 50mm (This space for rent)
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To: calcowgirl

Anyone else thinking McCain is gonna drop out this year, not even make it to the primaries? I mean his mojo is about zero at this point.

Is there even ONE gung-ho McCain supporter on FR? I think we all pretty much dislike him here, and if he can't find one fan at the biggest conservative forum on the planet, how does he expect to win primaries?


50 posted on 02/17/2007 10:37:38 AM PST by Jhensy
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To: Jhensy

50 posts on this thread and I didn't see a single defender.


51 posted on 02/17/2007 10:42:14 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: B.O. Plenty
...who is a favoured candidate in next year's presidential primaries. Says who?...

Says the media. They are all-knowing. How dare you question them?

52 posted on 02/17/2007 10:56:45 AM PST by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: calcowgirl
Obviously not a man of substance.

The Real McCain

McCain and 'the Constitution'

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO"

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO" Part II

John McCain Is No Hero

U.S. Sen. John McCain is no War Hero

John McCain: The Manchurian Candidat

JOHN MCCAIN, WARTS AND ALL

John McCain, you treasonous bastard, I challenge you or any of your traitorous cohorts... (thread by Jim Robinson)

McCain Is Booed by Labor Activists

McCain Rides to Kerry's Rescue: "John Kerry is Not Weak on Defense" (Today Show alert)

John McCain SCREAMS AT 9/11 FSA MEMBERS FOR OPPOSING HIS BILL TO GIVE AMNESTY FOR ILLEGALS

John McCain's Skeleton Closet

A number of articles on McCain. (some the same as above)

John McCain Gets Soros Cash

McCain/Soros by Rabbi Areyh Spero

Soros' "Reform" (an article about Soros‘ instrumental hand in McCain/Feingold)

Not Child‘s Play [McCain/Schumer bill could effect FR?]

McCain's Letter (McCain aligns with Global Enviro activists)

The Turning Point on Global Warming (McCain and Lieberman Op-Ed Alert)

Climate bill sets stage for debate (Sens. McCain, Obama, and Lieberman join forces)

McCain Looked into Caucusing with Democrats

McCain Still Disliked by Fiscal Conservatives (Club For Growth)

John McCain Goes Left for Money

Sens. Snowe, Collins to head Maine exploratory committee for McCain

Double Talk Express. McCain in his own words. VIDEO

53 posted on 02/17/2007 10:57:17 AM PST by TigersEye (Copperheads are infesting our country.)
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To: dasboot
"Global warming is the biggest of the biggest lies ever told...and, consequently the most effective mass manipulation in history."

Over the course of history, I think islam is the biggest of the biggest lies ever told and the most effective mass manipulation in history, just my opinion.

Cheers

54 posted on 02/17/2007 11:39:42 AM PST by theymakemesick (Under sharia law, bacon will be illegal in Americistan, reason enough to keep islam out of America)
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To: calcowgirl; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; Mrs. Don-o; RW_Whacko; honolulugal; gruffwolf; ...

FReepmail me to get on or off

Click graphic for full GW rundown

Ping me if you find one I've missed.

55 posted on 02/17/2007 11:52:18 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: calcowgirl

Tell that to the 9 inches of snow and ice in my yard.


57 posted on 02/17/2007 1:03:13 PM PST by combat_boots (The MSM: State run Democrat media masquerading as corporations)
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To: calcowgirl

As if we needed another reason not to vote for this moron.


58 posted on 02/17/2007 1:30:53 PM PST by GATOR NAVY (Naming CVNs after congressmen and mediocre presidents burns my butt)
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To: calcowgirl

A litle Gem I found in the German media whis is always very anti-American. A great speech by Kurt Volker.

How Unpolite: State Official Claims Superiority of U.S. Climate Policy
For German politics and the German media, the U.S. and in particular U.S. President Bush are the default villains of environmental policy. Next to the bible, "Kyoto" is the cherished vision for a better world, in which humans, penguins and polar bears, to name a few beneficiaries, will live together in perfect natural harmony. All that stands between the paradise and the present are Bush's neocons who simply refuse to accept the consensus view of science.

Imagine, then, the surprise for the German audience generated by a speech of Kurt Volker, Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for European and Eurasian Affairs of the U.S. State Department. The speech was given on Feb 12, 2007, at a meeting of the German Marshall Fund.
Excerpts:

Now, I know there is a deeply held view among many in Europe that the U.S. Government doesn't get it. That we don't care about climate change, that we are doing nothing to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and that Europe, while perhaps not perfect, is doing a far better job of tackling the issue than the United States. This proposition--no matter how simple, no matter how widely held, and no matter how much it fits a pop-culture "blame-the-United States" paradigm--is completely wrong, on every point. (...)

Let me start first with the data, because it is important to have the facts on the table. No question: The United States is the world's largest emitter of CO2. Everybody in the room knows this. But this fact says no more about the United States, than the fact that Germany leads Europe in emissions says about Germany.

The United States is number one in greenhouse gas emissions primarily because it is the number one economy in the world. With 5% of the world's population we produce 25% of global wealth. And despite being relatively clean and green, Germany leads Europe in emissions, because it is Europe's largest economy. Our emissions are not out of line with the size of our economy. And it's worth noting: the International Energy Agency is forecasting that China, with a smaller economy, is expected to surpass U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by 2009.

More important than current emissions is the trend line. What is actually happening to emissions? Are they being reduced? This, after all, is what Kyoto is supposed to address.

According to data from the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, from 2000-2004--the most recent period for which we have good, comparative data--U.S. greenhouse gas emissions increased by 1.3 percent. This is an increase, but a very modest increase. The EU-25, on the other hand, increased collective emissions by 2.1 percent.

And, no, this is not because the new EU members added since the 2004 expansion run dirtier economies than the previous 15 members, and this then bumps up the numbers. Actually, the new members have the opposite effect. Those nations--by moving away

from some older energy technologies like brown coal--are part of the good news story. If the new EU members did not bring down the average, the old EU-15 would get a worse report card--having increased emissions by 2.4 percent during this same time period.

Germany, I should state, had an admirable record of actually cutting greenhouse gas emissions by 0.7 percent during this time period--but Germany's efforts were overshadowed by increases in most other EU economies.

Now let's be honest--even a 2.4 percent increase for the EU-15 is a very modest increase. But given the way this issue gets talked about publicly in Europe, I would venture to say that few people in Europe know that from 2000 to 2004, EU-15 emissions grew at nearly double the U.S. rate, and that Europe, at least during this period, has been moving away from-not towards-its Kyoto target of an 8 percent cut. (...)

Now notice something else. This time period of 2000 to 2004 was a period of rapid economic growth in the United States. Between 2000 and 2004 we grew our economy by almost 1.9 trillion dollars (or nearly 1.46 trillion Euros). That's about the equivalent of adding Italy to the U.S. economy. And we increased our population by 11.3 million people--adding more than the population of Greece. And yet our emissions grew only 1.3 percent--that tells you a lot about how the U.S. economy is already changing to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

It is of course very hard if not impossible to see an actual decrease in emissions when both your economy and population are growing, though we came close. So how do we get a better measure of what is really happening? We do that by measuring the greenhouse gas intensity of an economy--that is, greenhouse emissions per unit of GDP. As our economy soared, our emissions rose only slightly; from 2000 to 2004, we reduced the greenhouse gas intensity of the U.S. economy by 7.5 percent. That is a good result.

How did the EU-25 perform? They also saw a reduction in greenhouse gas intensity. Theirs was about 4.5 percent. Also a good result, though not quite as steep a decline as the United States.

How did the United States achieve this lower emissions intensity ratio? By working very hard to bring cleaner technology into the marketplace. Through a combination of targeted market decisions, incentives, voluntary partnerships and mandates, the Administration's policies have helped speed the deployment of cleaner technology.

And this is the key: Kyoto provides a target for emissions reductions. To actually cut the emissions -whether one is a Kyoto country or not--one needs to put new, cleaner technology in place. And this is where the United States is leading the world. Our approach is producing concrete results, even as our economy expands.

And that, in fact, gets to the heart of the issue. We all want jobs, education, health, poverty reduction--all the things a healthy, growing economy provides. So the trick is not to cut our economies, but make them cleaner even as they grow. ...

We can't wait for 2012; the future is today. We mustn't mistake process with outcome, and we mustn't confuse the means and the objectives. The Kyoto Protocol is one means that some nations have chosen to address greenhouse gas emissions. But the objective--our common objective--is the reduction of greenhouse gases, and there are multiple means for getting there. And my government is committed to this effort. I have tried to demonstrate to you today:

The United States is deeply committed to the objective of cutting greenhouse gas emissions;
We have a set of policies and concrete actions that are producing good, concrete results--now and in the future;
We are cutting the growth rate of emissions in a way that also favors human development;
We are working multilaterally to do so, particularly with the developing world;
We are working together with Europe as well, and are eager to go further under the German EU and G8 Presidencies; and
In doing so, we will not only help the global climate, but also strengthen independence, democracy, and security in the world.
I hope I have achieved my goal of getting you to start to think differently about the United States, and our policies on climate change.


59 posted on 02/17/2007 1:40:36 PM PST by americanbychoice3
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To: calcowgirl
Anybody else think McCain is suffering some kind of Manchurian Candidate syndrome from his days in the Hanoi Hilton?
60 posted on 02/17/2007 1:43:44 PM PST by Vision ("Delight yourself in the Lord; and he will give you your heart's desires." Psalm 37:4)
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