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The Religious Right's Era Is Over
Time ^ | February 16, 2007 | Jim Wallis

Posted on 02/17/2007 6:23:04 AM PST by NYer

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To: traderrob6
The 06 elections were nothing more than the American people showing their dissatisfaction with the progress of the war in Iraq, Period.

It is still my belief that the American people were showing their dissatisfaction with the progress of the Republican Congress. If the Republicans in the Senate and House had stood up to the Democrats and had done a better job they would still be in the majority. Not standing up to the Dims just invited more partisan attacks and let them set the agenda.

321 posted on 02/17/2007 10:00:33 PM PST by jerry639
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To: Wallace T.
America does not need a Rudy McRomney. The borders would remain porous, we would continue waging a no win war in Iraq and Afghanistan, social programs would continue to expand, and new mandates would continue to be imposed. Would Rudy McRomney be better than Hillary or Obama? Maybe, if you think slow death via cancer is better than a massive heart attack.

I'm not sure who you support for the Presidency but I can assure you that you won't gain any support for that candidate with this kind of rhetoric. I'm not sure who I will support just yet. There is a long ways to go. One thing for sure I won't vote third party or for Hillary. My advice would be for you to work to get your candidate nominated if you don't like Rudy. I might eventually help you get it done. Tearing down other's choice of candidates at this time will not help your candidate or prevent a President Hillary.

322 posted on 02/17/2007 10:21:16 PM PST by jerry639
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To: madprof98
If the most conservative forum on the Internet is awash with people who hate religious conservatives, then something is up. I don't know if the Soros-inspired coalition of secularists and religious leftists has won, but I'd say it is definitely winning over popular opinion.

I looked up "blithely ignorant" in the dictionary, and there was a picture of Jim Wallis...

The Left can celebrate the "defeat" of the "Religious Right" all they want. Only one religion is playing by Highlander rules in this day and age (In the emd, there can be only one!).

Wallis and his ilk can recite their twaddle as much as they want - when that other religion comes for them, there's going to be a whole lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth - at least till the scimitar falls...

Pathetic idiots.

323 posted on 02/17/2007 10:24:26 PM PST by an amused spectator (The 1st Minnesota Regt died fighting a culture which embraced slavery. Think about it, Ellison.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
This makes as much sense as when after the 2004 elections, there were those on FR claiming the Democrat party was dead.

The Democrat party was dead. The Retarded Kid Party decided to cash in, rather than deliver the coup de grace.

That's all the opening that Hillary's Nazgûl captain Rahm Emanuel needed...

324 posted on 02/17/2007 10:33:30 PM PST by an amused spectator (The 1st Minnesota Regt died fighting a culture which embraced slavery. Think about it, Ellison.)
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To: KantianBurke

"the "spend taxpayers money for Jesus" crew is deserting"

Versus spending it agaimst Jesus? And legislating *IM*morality into taxpayer-supported schools with classes about condoms and tolerance? That isn't their money to spend.

How well do you know the writings of Patrick Henry, by the way?


325 posted on 02/17/2007 10:54:14 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: The Spirit Of Allegiance

How about spending is restricted PERIOD??

Patrick Henry's works? Have skimmed through a few here and there. But his words aren't holy writ. But our Constitution and our Bill of Rights are. Perhaps you should take this section to heart when it comes to "compassionate" spending:

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.


326 posted on 02/17/2007 11:05:28 PM PST by KantianBurke
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To: KantianBurke

Agreed. I call that Amendment and raise you this: that even each individual state's powers are to be subject to the sovereignty of the Citizens.


327 posted on 02/17/2007 11:14:00 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: NYer

I saw "Time" and "Jim Wallis", and my BS detector went off so loud I had to take the batteries out of it.


328 posted on 02/17/2007 11:16:03 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: stevio

I am talking about very powerful people in my own church here in Memphis. If you want specifics you can go to a website that I will give you.


329 posted on 02/18/2007 2:45:35 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: happygrl
Any credibility Wallis had, even as a Christian with whom I
disagreed, was lost when he refused to take up the issue of
the Sudanese Christians (who were also under threat of genocide) during
the 1980s and 90s.

Apparently only Muslims in Africa are suitable subjects for his concern.


Every time I see/hear the "Save Darfur" commercials, I can hardly
restrain myself from loudly screaming:
"Where the h-ll were you people when Christians and animists
are getting slaughtered in Africa???"

I feel sorry for the black Muslims of Darfur, but understand full
well those ads are just Democratic National Party ads to bash
Dubya.

I suspect that liberals like Wallis have never read
"Out of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa " by Keith Richburg.
330 posted on 02/18/2007 2:59:51 AM PST by VOA
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To: NYer

"social justice" and "economic justice" are codewords for Socialism.

Just what interest does Christianity have in promoting Socialism, hm?


331 posted on 02/18/2007 3:03:53 AM PST by joseph20
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To: wequalswinner
Don't worry, the world will go on without me, nobody listens to a damn thing I have to say anyway

I had this same feeling yesterday, while at Wally-World getting groceries.

Masses of people, working out their own lives, were passing by, and it seemed that THEY were not affecting my life, and it hit me - am I affecting theirs?

I was suddenly very insignificant, for I was not in politics, not a teacher, no longer going to work every day - doing nothing in the political realm. No kids at home to bug, the grandkids listening to who knows whom.

Yakking at you guys on FR is about the only thing that works, for I know that I sometimes I learn things from you folks, so I suppose that may work in reverse.

I can only hope the mass of us here are all pulling enough in the Right direction, we can influence others than CAN make a difference on the world scene.

332 posted on 02/18/2007 4:09:28 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: MACVSOG68
The ability to be a moral and just person is a part of the human psyche. Whether a person acts in a moral and just manner is not necessarily dependent on fear of God, but rather an instinct or belief that we as humans have an innate responsibility to our fellow man and for those to come later.

Three times here you've mentioned these abilities - qualities that are properly applied to a Creature that is MORE than an 'animal' - a Creature that is God-like.


If we are more that 'animals', it is because we were created that way: by a God, for His OWN reason, wished to do so.

The 'religious' understand this fact - our forefathers did, for it is engraved in stone (oops - that flexible, living document, that has been so massaged to be almost unrecognizable now) reading...

 

WHEN, in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands, which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's GOD entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the Causes which impel them to the Separation.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their CREATOR, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.--

 

Without a 'religion', the non-religious cannot hold on the the Self-Evident Truth, so the foundation is very shaky.

333 posted on 02/18/2007 4:22:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: MACVSOG68
Conservatism does not require a religious foundation.

This Nation does - see above.

334 posted on 02/18/2007 4:23:46 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: MACVSOG68
The Constitution was "written" by "We the People", not We the religious people".

You are almost right, but it was FOR the 'people', BY a religious set of men, as indicated in the Declaration.
 
 

All debts contracted and engagements entered into, before the adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers, both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.



335 posted on 02/18/2007 4:37:55 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Give us Barrabas!!


336 posted on 02/18/2007 4:40:09 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: MACVSOG68
It is the religious right that wants it cleansed of anyone not committed to a Christian oriented nation.

This is NOT true.

What WE want is a LEADER who has a bit more 'morals and justness' than the AVERAGE Joe on the street.

We might even let YOU be that guy, if you indicate values that we like.

There are very few of us stupid even to think that only CHRIST in office is acceptable in this world.

337 posted on 02/18/2007 4:44:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Wallace T.

Thanks for the full quote - it is not as wsihy-washy as I'd feared.

Too bad that "Seems to excuse" is confused with 'forgiveness'.


338 posted on 02/18/2007 4:46:14 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: Irene Adler
From your many posts, I surmise you do not believe in the existence of Original Sin. For Christians, who do, there is no surprise in the reality the people are not perfect and never will be, nor will any governmental organizations they devise.

I'm open to the issue, for I really don't know, any more than does anyone else, pure faith notwithstanding.

I have read your posts with interest and do not disagree with some of your points, but the smugness with which you present them is difficult to get past. The impression you give is that same as that given by so many on the left. I would ask you, in all seriousness, to consider, at least, that you, like the rest of us fallen human beings, are not in possession of all the answers.

Of course I'm not in possession of all the answers. But don't just look at my posts. Look at those who posted to me. I took issue with those who believe that people are moral and just only because of Christianity, and therefore Christians should be in charge. Those posters made point after point about how great we are because our forefathers were Christians. I pointed out that what they created was a country where the ownership of other human beings was not only tolerated but justified by the Bible, and that the only really free people were white Christian male property owners. That's a far cry from smugness, at least on my part. I recognize our mistakes, and do not wish them to be repeated. Which is why I do not want those with radical or extremist views running my Country, whether they be from the left or right.

No Constitution we could ever write would be perfect, nor would any application of such Constitution. Can we make things better? Sure, but perfect, never.

And I agree with that. But I distinguish between the Constitution and society. Christians were primarily responsible for the society they created that was tremendously in conflict with the principles they wrote in both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. It sounds like you are not taking responsibility for that social order created and run by Christians. It should be a little more than "Christians aren't perfect".

One more small thing: perhaps slavery, which has been practiced all around the world for thousands of years, and is still being practiced in certain areas (with very little outcry on the part of the self-annointed world elites/media) is something that doesn't need to be flogged endlessly in relation to the U.S.

I use that piece of our history when I am told that without Christians starting our great Nation, we would have no moral or just values. So I do not flog for no reason. You cannot separate out the bad parts just to take credit for the good.

What would happen if you were as concerned with slavery as it is practiced today in Africa? Why not turn your attention to that problem that exists today, rather than cranking about any country's less-than-perfect past?

This thread is about the religious right and its influence in politics. I didn't raise the issue of the beginnings of our Country; others posted that history to me. But it's clear from that last comment that, with all due respect, I have no market cornered on smugness.

339 posted on 02/18/2007 5:48:11 AM PST by MACVSOG68
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To: madprof98

You guys seem to want the pricey real estate. If you leave us FReeRepublic, you can have the rest of it.


No, let the social lib /fiscal cons start their own party. We fixed the GOP so it could win.


340 posted on 02/18/2007 5:54:33 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter: pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment, pro-border control, pro-family)
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