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Colourful past threatens Giuliani's lead (dodged draft, marital weirdness)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | 16 February 2007 | Toby Harnden

Posted on 02/16/2007 1:58:44 PM PST by Spiff

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To: Spiff

McKook is the poster boy for weirdness.


21 posted on 02/16/2007 2:17:39 PM PST by freespirited (Demand perfection, get Hillary.)
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To: Graybeard58

It's a sad day for America when the front runners are Giuliani, McCain, Hillary and Obama. It's like people of principle have gone extinct.


22 posted on 02/16/2007 2:18:43 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (A Muslim soldier can never be loyal to a non-Muslim commander.)
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To: colorado tanker
His boss could not issue a deferment, only his draft board could do that. I personally would not call a law clerk so essential an occupation as to justify a deferment, but apparently his draft board felt differently.

It's not the deferrment, it's the hypocrisy of dodging the draft deferrment and then prosecuting draft dodgers.

The same hypocrisy he displays while supporting abortion and receiving Holy Communion.

Or the hypocrisy of purchasing an anullment from the Catholic Church after 14 years of marriage.

I really don't know how this can be defended but I'm sure it will be.

23 posted on 02/16/2007 2:19:17 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: nctexan
If you're gonna continue to SPAM, please have the courtesy to post in a format that doesn't take ten screens to page through.

Nobody forced you to click on the thread and being from texas you should know the difference between red meat and spam.

24 posted on 02/16/2007 2:20:40 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Alter Kaker
Don't worry, Mitt Romney's close behind, and unlike McCain and Rudy, he hasn't been a liberal for almost six months now.

Yeah, he's been going to RA - RINO's Anonymous - without falling off the wagon. "Hi, I'm Mitt Romney, and I have not praised Roe v. Wade for six months!"

25 posted on 02/16/2007 2:20:58 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Spiff
In an interview with CNN's Larry King Live on Wednesday, Mr Giuliani conceded that there was lots of material with which the press and opponents could attack him. "The way I deal with that is, hey, I'm a human being," he said.

"You know, I made mistakes. I'm not perfect. I keep trying to learn from them. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I keep working on that. I keep trying to learn from them. I'm a human being, much like, I think, everybody else."

Giuliani's campaign slogan:

"I'm a human. Really, I am!"

Hmmm...seems to be lacking that certain something...

26 posted on 02/16/2007 2:25:04 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: jwalsh07
I really don't know how this can be defended but I'm sure it will be.

It won't be defended. I am convinced that the Rudy strategy is to fend off the critics for as long as possible, try to use 9-11 to deflect his past liberal issues, say the right focus-tested comments that have no connection to his past actions ("strict constructionist" being the most recent example"), and then saturate the airwaves with Rudymercials in the short period leading up to all the front-loaded primaries in hopes that his opponents can't keep up.

Which could well win him the nomination. However, in the general election, the Dems are just as good at raising money and three times better at bull****. And they won't even need the bull****. They will form phantom 527 groups to drive the GOP apart by simply repeating Rudy's liberal past over and over again. And they will show pro-life and pro-gun Dems that there is no difference in that department between Rudy and the Dem nominee and convince them to stay on the Rez. And that will be that.

27 posted on 02/16/2007 2:25:59 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Spiff
I suspect the "weirdness" part of this is going be a slow drip of supporters falling away from him.

One of Giuliani's biggest problems is that he tends to remind most Americans why they hate New York City so much.

28 posted on 02/16/2007 2:28:23 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: jwalsh07
The part about dodging the draft and prosecuting draft dodgers may ain't gonna fly among any constituency.

I don't care. Vietnam was over 30 years ago. Times and people change.

29 posted on 02/16/2007 2:29:15 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Spiff
I don't care what President Bush did or did not do in the National Guard. I don't care what John Kerry did or did not do in Cambodia. I don't care what Dick Cheney did or did not do while in school during Vietnam. And I don't care what Rudy Giuliani did or did not do while working during the 1969s, particularly since the record shows he was at some points elegible for the draft, and simply wasn't drafted.

I know others care. I don't. I care about today and the future.

30 posted on 02/16/2007 2:30:41 PM PST by KellyAdmirer
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To: colorado tanker
It's worth noting that this document presented a bunch of issues that were seen as hurdles for Giuliani's 1993 mayoral campaign IN NEW YORK CITY.

If his campaign staff had legitimate fears that he was too "weird" to run in New York City, you can rest assured that this guy is such a dysfunctional freak that he'd make the Clintons look normal.

31 posted on 02/16/2007 2:31:07 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Can money pay for all the days I lived awake but half asleep?)
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To: nctexan
If you're gonna continue to SPAM, please have the courtesy to post in a format that doesn't take ten screens to page through.

When things like that get on my nerves, I figure it's time to take some time away from the board. Or, at least avoid certain threads. Give that a try

32 posted on 02/16/2007 2:32:19 PM PST by don-o (Fight, fight. fight to drive the GOP to the right!!!!)
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To: Doe Eyes; Jim Robinson
I don't care. Vietnam was over 30 years ago. Times and people change.

You may not care but I'll bet republican primary voters gonna care in Georgia, South Carolina, Texas et al are gonna care.

Republicans were relentless in criticizing Clinton as a CIC who dodged the draft. Carville and Begala must be laughing their asses off over this one.

Jim, you might find this of interest.

33 posted on 02/16/2007 2:33:37 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: jwalsh07
The same hypocrisy he displays while supporting abortion and receiving Holy Communion.

Setting aside his pro-abort views, I believe he's divorced (from wife #2) and remarried (to wife #3) in a civil ceremony, which would make him ineligible to receive communion in the Catholic church.

(So would his pro-abort views, IMO, but the marital irregularity is easier to prove.)

34 posted on 02/16/2007 2:33:39 PM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: dirtboy
It won't be defended.

Wrong, it's already being defended. Nobody cares. :-}

35 posted on 02/16/2007 2:35:33 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Spiff

Sounds like the clinton at work trying to hurt Giuliani.
He is a better person that they could ever hope to be.


36 posted on 02/16/2007 2:36:37 PM PST by sam I am
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To: dirtboy

Lordy-what-a-prescient-post BUMP


37 posted on 02/16/2007 2:37:08 PM PST by b9 ("America is great because America is good." ~ Duncan Hunter)
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To: sam I am
Sounds like the clinton at work trying to hurt Giuliani.

Maybe, maybe not. Rudyis, if nothing else, a very smart guy. Not a bad time to run the dirty laundry through a wash cycle and see if the stains come out.

38 posted on 02/16/2007 2:38:35 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Alberta's Child
If his campaign staff had legitimate fears that he was too "weird" to run in New York City

Well, with the marrying his cousin part, I would have expected someplace more like West Virginia. :-))

39 posted on 02/16/2007 2:40:16 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: sam I am
Sounds like the clinton at work trying to hurt Giuliani. He is a better person that they could ever hope to be.

Huh? The 450-page document described in the article was a confidential campaign document from Rudy Giuliani's 1993 Mayoral Campaign. The document was created by Giuliani's own people. It outlines his major vulnerabilities and then describes the spin that they're going to use to whitewash the issues.

40 posted on 02/16/2007 2:42:26 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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