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Firestorm [The bombing of Dresden]
Front Page Magazine ^ | 2/15/'07 | David Forsmark

Posted on 02/15/2007 5:43:06 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator

Firestorm: Allied Airpower and the Destruction of Dresden
By Marshall De Bruhl
Random House, $27.95.

One of my favorite talk radio hosts recently interviewed a member of the evangelical Christian left who expressed sentiments -- to call them arguments would be an overstatement -- against the war in Iraq. The conversation, fairly typical of such exchanges, went something like this:

“When have you been in favor of the United States actually using military force?”

“Well, I guess you would have to say World War II was what you would call a good war."

“What about Dresden? You bring up Abu Ghraib all the time, are you OK with Dresden?”

“Well, horrible things happen in every war, I guess. That’s the problem with Just War theory."

And on it went. Somewhere along the line, majorities on both the right and left have accepted the notion that the Allied bombing raid on the German city of Dresden in February 1945 was tantamount to a war crime. This, in turn, works for the rhetoric on both sides. Conservatives can skewer liberals who use a small incident to justify their opposition to recent wars by throwing Dresden in their faces; while the Left is all too willing to believe the worst of Western militaries in every case.

Even many conservatives who defend the nuking of Hiroshima — and not just those in the Buchanan Brigades — accept that Dresden was an atrocity. Over the years, the politically correct version of Dresden has nearly become the official story.

The rationale behind the conventional wisdom of the Dresden raid as a war crime usually rests on the following assertions:

1. Dresden was not a military target; the bombing solely targeted the civilian population. Critics note the number of museums and cultural treasures of the “Florence of the Elbe,” as if the city were an island of peace and culture in a sea of Nazism. Often mentioned is the number of refugees who had flooded into a city largely ignored by bombers.

2. The war was all but won by the time of the raid, and thus was completely unnecessary. This assumes that Winston Churchill, Arthur “Bomber” Harris and Gen. Spaatz just wanted to kill a large number of German civilians while they still had an excuse.

3. Hundreds of thousands of civilians died. Taking a page from some discredited German bestsellers of the 1950s, novelist Kurt Vonnegut-- who witnessed the bombing as a POW-- famously claimed that more people died in Dresden than in atom-bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki put together. The raid, indeed, played a key role in his best-selling Slaughterhouse Five.

4. The Dresden raid was a unique event. Despite the Blitz and the “around the clock” bombing of German cities, critics contend that this was a cold-blooded experiment in incendiary bombing that removes it from the context of the raging “total war.”

But Marshall De Bruhl begs to differ. In his forcefully argued and remarkably clear-eyed Firestorm: Allied Airpower and the Destruction of Dresden. De Bruhl sifts through mountains of primary sources to vividly recreate the mission and, most importantly, puts the event in its proper context.

De Bruhl spends most of his book detailing the escalation of the air war in Europe that led to the Dresden raid. Ironically, the first blow was struck when German bombers got lost and mistakenly hit London. Churchill ordered that Berlin be struck in retaliation. Ironically, Churchill’s action led to Hitler ordering the Luftwaffe to concentrate on London rather than airfields, which probably saved the Royal Air Force and its ability to defend home turf in the Battle of Britain.

This, however, does not mean that cities were not valuable military targets. As De Bruhl points out, German industry was located in cities, and the so-called “precision bombing” of targets -- with American assertions that a B-17 could put a bomb in a “pickle barrel” -- was mere posturing. In reality, American daylight bombing was only marginally more accurate than British night bombing, though it bore a far greater cost in airmen’s lives.

America's celebrated Norden bombsight and advances in technique over the period of the air war merely meant that progress was made from less than one out of five bombs hitting near the target to just under half.

In short, the only way to stop war-supporting manufacturing in a German city was to bomb in such a way that the whole city paid a heavy price.

De Bruhl answers each of the major myths about the Dresden raid.

1. Dresden was a manufacturer of armaments and a communications center for the Nazis. Yes, the city was filled with refugees and museums. However, it also had many factories of war material. The chaos from the Dresden raid pulled German troops away from the Eastern and Western fronts, and no armaments were manufactured in Dresden after Feb.14, 1945.

2. The war was still on when Dresden was bombed. It’s easy to say in hindsight that the Germans were all but defeated, but the Dresden raid came a few short months after the Battle of the Bulge. Before that surprise setback, “Christmas in Berlin” had been a common battle cry.

3. Civilian deaths, while numerous, are greatly exaggerated by the activists. The chaos of war makes counting difficult, but casualties have been “estimated” at up to 250,000. De Bruhl argues that 25,000 is a more realistic figure, with 35,000 the maximum. At least 50,000 residents worked in producing war material.

4. The Dresden raid was the deadly culmination of a steadily escalating air war against cities by both sides. The Dresden raid was only unique in its effectiveness, not its methodology. The Allies’ air superiority had led to such a pounding of German cities that debate had begun in some quarters over the morality and necessity of “morale” bombing. However, the German V-rockets and the terror they brought ended that debate. In fact, Churchill considered “morale” bombing the only appropriate response as the German rockets had no other purpose than civilian deaths.

Far from being the cold and calculating experiment painted in some accounts of Allied generals seeing how many civilians they could kill for the sheer hell of it, De Bruhl writes that the targeting of Dresden was partially a quirk of the weather.

Operations had been planned for massive bombing to support the Soviets on the Eastern Front on the day of Feb. 13. These missions were scrubbed because of weather — but skies cleared over Dresden long enough to allowed for a rare one-two punch of American daylight and British night bombing. This doomed Dresden, which had seldom been bombed because it was in the eastern part of Germany and was known as “Germany’s bomb shelter” by many of the refugees from the Red Army who were streaming into the city.

De Bruhl illustrates the uncertainties of precision bombing, and undercuts the notion that Dresden was a premeditated atrocity. For instance, the commander of the second wave of British bombers widened the target area on his own because the first wave had been unusually — and unexpectedly -- effective.

So while the wave of American B-17s, which hit the next day, might seem like overkill in hindsight, knowledge in wartime 1945 was not exactly comparable to the instant satellite reconnaissance we take for granted today. In fact, 150 of the B-17s bound for Dresden bombed another city on the bend of a river, the Czech capital of Prague by mistake.

Of course, De Bruhl reminds us that even as Lord Haw Haw’s propaganda broadcast accused Gen. Spaatz of war crimes for the Dresden raid, thousands were being systematically exterminated in concentration camps in the Reich. But then as now, liberal elements in British Parliament and press picked up on enemy accusations and began wringing their hands. Their tears were shed over the abandonment of “precision bombing” — an outcry that led Churchill to begin to backtrack in private memos until Harris brought him back into line.

Bomber Harris remained publicly unapologetic. He was convinced that the bombing helped to shorten the war and save the lives of Allied soldiers.“I do not personally regard the whole of the remaining cities of Germany as worth the bones of one British grenadier,” he defiantly declared.

The mythology of Dresden was solidified by Vonnegut in the liberal mind. Witnessing the awful firestorm and slaughter was a defining moment in his life -- though leftist Vonnegut ironically draws on “The Destruction of Dresden,” a 1963 book by Holocaust denier David Irving. De Bruhl effectively deconstructs both writers.

To add injury to injury, De Bruhl concludes, Dresden fell into Soviet hands, and Germany’s most beautiful city was rebuilt very slowly, often with “ugly socialist architecture” (what P.J. O’Rourke calls “Commie concrete”) with much of the city left in rubble.

That is changing today, De Bruhl writes, as freedom is finally alive in Dresden, with surprisingly little antipathy to outsiders. On the 50th anniversary of the raid, Dresden’s mayor said it best, putting the blame where it really belongs: “We started the fire, and it came back and consumed us.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: antipc; bookreview; dresden; wwii
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To: Zionist Conspirator

It would be so easy to destroy Iraq or most middle eastern countries. Most of the population is heavily concentrated in cities, with vast unpopulated deserts. I think that if we had 5 thousand B-52's and 30 million dumb bombs, we wouldn't have to put 2 boots on the ground to defeat the entire region. Just bomb their mosques during their 5 daily prayer calls.


41 posted on 02/15/2007 6:33:04 PM PST by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire at the moonbat loonery.)
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To: montag813

"I wish Bush had done a Dresden on Fallujah instead of sending our boys door to door like Avon ladies and then investigating one of them for shooting a wounded terrorist when the MSM got it on tape. We should have killed another 2-300,000 Iraq civilians in this war and many more Afghans as well. MacArthur himself hung nearly 1,000 Japanese agitators in a relatively peaceful occupation. In Iraq we let Al Sadr murder Americans left and right and did nothing while pretending one idiot Arab stooge "PM" after another was "in charge". What a joke. We early on focused stupidly on trying to build a "democracy". We forgot that these are savages, and the enemy. Had we gone in with our bloodlust unchecked, nobody today would be whining out an "Iraqi quagmire"."

POST OF THE DECADE!!!!!!!!!


42 posted on 02/15/2007 6:34:01 PM PST by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: Howard Jarvis Admirer
If people claim that the terror bombings of German civilians was a legitimate tactic in Dresden, then Al Queda's justification of 9/11 would be that terror bombing civilians in the World Trade Center is also a legitimate tactic. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, so to speak.

It seems to me that the moment has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror

Your comparison of the Dresden bombing to the attacks on the World Trade Center could use some additional "fleshing out."

1. Do we know, for a fact, that Dresden was bombed simply for the sake of increasing the terror?

2. How many civilians had Hitler's government killed, at home and abroad, in the 5 years before the bombing of Dresden?
How many Muslim civilians (radical or otherwise) had the Clinton and Bush governments killed, at home and abroad, in the 5 years prior to 9/11?

43 posted on 02/15/2007 6:34:30 PM PST by syriacus (30,000 Americans died, in 30 months, to release South Korea from Kim Il-sung's tyranny.)
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To: MplsSteve
The use of high explosives to accomplish the destruction of the rail lines and smaller factories should have been enough.

With today's technology it would have been enough, but back then more than half the bombs dropped didn't land anywhere near their targets. HE had to be close to be effective, but with incendiaries a lot of infrastructure could be destroyed even if they missed.

44 posted on 02/15/2007 6:37:03 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Lewite

They did. Hamburg was turned to ashes fairly early in the war.


45 posted on 02/15/2007 6:39:37 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: Geronimo

"...they bloody started it..."

I saw on the History channel where they said the the ENGLISH started the bombming of innocent civilians (tongue in cheek). They went on to explain how the first civilian casualty of the bombing was from an English bomber that had a bomb go off in error and destroyed a farmer's shed (nobody hurt). But that got Hitler all pissed and he declared that "they started it" and gave him the "right" to start the Blitz.

At least with Hitler they had to destoy a shed first, nowadays you print a silly cartoon and they get all riled up.


46 posted on 02/15/2007 6:41:26 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory.)
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To: Squawk 8888

Also we were in it to win as fast as possible. It was not strategic to bomb a little and see if it worked while they moved equipment elsewhere and scattered it making victory even more difficult.
We did not know exactly what they had where and were tqking no chances we might miss some war material or war production facilities.


47 posted on 02/15/2007 6:43:06 PM PST by smoketree (the insanity, the lunacy these days.)
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To: Grizzled Bear
You wanted to lower the population.

Actually, the idea was not to reduce the population but to disrupt the economy by making life difficult for workers. The Bomber Command term for the objective of area bombing was "de-housing the enemy".

48 posted on 02/15/2007 6:43:07 PM PST by Squawk 8888 (Is human activity causing the warming trend on Mars?)
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To: montag813

Well, for one thing, any "kill 'em all" strategy directed at an Arab population would likely destabilize Saudi Arabia, thereby interrupting our oil supply, sending gas prices soaring, and driving the US economy into a depression.

IMO.


49 posted on 02/15/2007 6:43:33 PM PST by Mr J (All IMHO.)
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To: syriacus
You may be wasting your time with this "Howard Jarvis Fan." There is, after all, a certain kind of "tax protester" . . .
50 posted on 02/15/2007 6:45:16 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator ("Kol 'asher-dibber HaShem na`seh venishma`!")
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To: arthurus
" It was not only necessary to defeat the German army, it was necessary to defeat the German people, to stun them so that they were ready to accept any form of rule the Allies determined to impose on them. The result is modern Germany."

Well said!

51 posted on 02/15/2007 6:53:53 PM PST by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: Lewite
I am just sorry the Allies did not do a lot more Dresden type bombings on other German cities.

Ever heard of Hamburg?

If this author is correct that "only" 30,000 "or so" died at Dresden, the losses at Dresden were less than the losses at Hamburg.

Operation Gomorrah , the series of attacks over about a week in late July 1943 killed over 50,000, destroyed a quarter-million houses, and left over a million homeless.

This also seems to be one of the earliest recorded instances of an artificial "firestorm". The streets themselves caught fire. When air-raid shelters were opened well after the attack, the people who had taken refuge in them were melted into greasy puddles on the floor.

It's covered in far greater detail in Martin Caidin's book The Night Hamburg Died, which I've read.

52 posted on 02/15/2007 6:54:00 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; Geronimo

"I notice you have nothing to say about German terror bombing".

For a simple reason - well educated persons know that the British, not the Germans, started the cycle of terror bombing civilians. The RAF Air Secretary admitted it in his book.

From: Advance to Barbarism: The Development of Total Warfare from Sarajevo to Hiroshima (Paperback)
by Frederick J. Veale (Author) on Amazon.com

". . . The accusation leveled against the Germans that they deliberately caused harm to civilians is refuted by the fact that the British started this breach of international law. Veale cites J.M. Spaight's book BOMBING VINDICATED to prove that the British started the deleiberate of German civilians on May 11, 1940 which Spaight called the "Splendid Decision." While the battle for France was being waged hundreds of miles from German civilians, the British, who should have focused their bombing to military targets such as bridge networks in France, bombed innocent civilians who had nothing to do with the Battle of France. In fact, Veale makes a good point that had the British concentrated their bombing on these bridge networks, destruction of these networks would have stopped Hitler's mechanized forces due to the lack of getting gasoline supplies. The German offensive would have stalled and would have been defeated."



53 posted on 02/15/2007 6:56:35 PM PST by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Curtis LeMay - you could start with his autobiography - Mission with LeMay: My Story.

No, you can't have my copy.

54 posted on 02/15/2007 6:58:46 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

You are right about lowering the population in Germany after the war. For two years after 1945, people were forced to live on half-rations as a result of the Potsdam Conference. The Marshall Plan ended the starvation when Communism threatened Europe. After the war, Germany was deemed to have an excess of steel capacity capable of rearming the nation. Something like 25% of steel plants were destroyed after the war to assure the Germans wouldn't remilitarize.


55 posted on 02/15/2007 7:00:51 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: DuncanWaring

Thanks! I added it to my reading list


56 posted on 02/15/2007 7:07:15 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Howard Jarvis Admirer
...well educated persons know...

Such as yourself, I'm sure. < /sarcasm>

...Veale makes a good point that had the British concentrated their bombing on these bridge networks, destruction of these networks would have stopped Hitler's mechanized forces...

That assumes the bombing would have actually destroyed the bridge networks.

Perhaps you're unaware that this took place in the era before laser designators and "smart-bombs".

57 posted on 02/15/2007 7:09:01 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: smoketree

See post 53 on the error of terror bombing - it may have cost the British the Battle for France. The point is that if terror bombing enemy civilians is ok for the U.S. to do, the enemy, now or in the future, may decide that terror bombing U.S. civilians is ok for them to do also.

Remember what Voltaire said: Beware of persons who can convince you of absurdities, because they can convince you to commit atrocities.

A number of posters here are trying to convince others of the absurdity that targeting civilian women and children with terror bombing is ok. In my opinion - it is not ok for Al Quada to do terror bombing to us, or for us to do to others, as in Dresden.


58 posted on 02/15/2007 7:09:13 PM PST by Howard Jarvis Admirer (Howard Jarvis, the foe of the tax collector and friend of the California homeowner)
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To: Grizzled Bear

If you want a long book that has a much wider compass than Lemay alone, read Rhodes' "The Making of the Atomic Bomb." Lemay plays a major role, of course, at the end. It's a fascintating story about people, physics, spies, politics, war strategy, tactics, engineering, Japanese and German nuclear programs, antisemitism in Germany, etc. I could go on, but you get the idea of the scope of the book. Highly recommended if you want to see where Lemay fit in the big picture.


59 posted on 02/15/2007 7:13:04 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: 04-Bravo

I for one wouldn't be here. My dad was a Marine on the troop transports amassing for the Japan invasion in the summer of '45. Without Little Boy and Fat Man, I like many others here, probably wouldn't be alive.


60 posted on 02/15/2007 7:14:36 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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