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To: madprof98
This is the real split that's coming for the Republican party. If it turns out that a majority or even a large enough percentage of Republicans truly are social liberals then obviously something's going to break.

"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

Abortion is evil. We cannot survive as a party that is half for and half against evil.

78 posted on 02/15/2007 4:07:59 PM PST by Jim Robinson ("Electable" gave us Gerald Ford and Bob Dole. Voting for the right-wing kook gave us Reagan. ~ A.C.)
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To: Jim Robinson

True, but it took a Civil War to end slavery. Short of that, overturning Roe and returning abortion to the states is the best that can be expected. I just don't see some national ban or constitutional amendment happening absent some Civil War-like event that totally changes the game.

That said, the best that can be hoped for is a SC that will do the job. To be honest, we still don't know about Roberts and Alito. If they won't overturn Roe, it doesn't matter who the next President is, Roe is safe forever.

On the other hand, if they will, and we have 4 Justices who will, I'd have just as much confidence that Rudy would put the 5th on as I would in Romney or McCain. Now, Brownback or say a Gary Bauer I'd probably have more confidence. But of the major candidates thus far, I don't think there's any less probablity that Rudy would appoint that 5th Justice than there is that Mitt or John would.

As we saw with Miers, appointing a Justice is more than just the WH. Whoever the President is, you're going to have the conservative legal establishment(fed society, ACLJ, Eagle Forum, etc...), the talk radio world(Rush etc...), the conservative press(NR, WS, FoxNews, etc...) and a whole bucnh of conservatives in the Senate all having input and virtual veto power over the pick. The WH will be forced to name a strong conservative with a record, a la Alito.

So, on that issue, I think we'll be ok, no matter who the nominee is. Although Rudy, unlike McCain, doesn't have a record of stabbing the party in the back and sucking up to the media to push his "maverick" status.


100 posted on 02/15/2007 4:42:50 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: Jim Robinson
"A house divided against itself cannot stand."

And when you see people here getting positively giddy over the fact that the media's sliming of Speaker Gingrich during the Clinton years has stuck, you know the house is crumbling.

I also believe that abortion is at the heart of it. I know it is. Nothing else can explain the utter contempt we're seeing towards conservatives. Nothing else can explain why they're so anxious, excited even, to jettison the support of the right to win favor among the left.

Only something as sinister as abortion can do this to the party of Reagan and Lincoln. If this movement isn't successfully defeated, the party will be riding shotgun with the country into a new dark age.

101 posted on 02/15/2007 4:48:52 PM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard ("and alllll the children are insane")
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To: Jim Robinson
Abortion is evil. We cannot survive as a party that is half for and half against evil.

and those of us who truly believe it is evil could never join with it, much less promote it.
114 posted on 02/15/2007 5:23:00 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: Jim Robinson
Abortion is evil. We cannot survive as a party that is half for and half against evil.

We always seem to be faced with the choice of voting for the lesser of two evils come the general election for president.

However, many in the GOP seem hell-bent on closing the gap this election.

115 posted on 02/15/2007 5:24:39 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Jim Robinson

This evening I went to the "home and school" meeting at my daughter's elementary school. It's called that and not PTA because the national PTA is run by libs who want pre-K kids to have sex education labs. It's the same with so many other institutions that once seemed part of the American bedrock. I mean, look at the Episcopal Church. Their leader looks like the Queen of Hearts! We already gave these people the Democrat Party. Why must they take the GOP as well???


120 posted on 02/15/2007 5:53:47 PM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Jim Robinson

If Guliani were to get the nomination and win he has said his judicial picks would be along the lines of Scalia, Thomas, Alito and Roberts. Now some might say he cannot be trusted but I think most of his enemies do not accuse him of lacking integrity.

Hence, if he is true to his word the Abortion issue will be addressed to your liking.

Look at the alternative with Hillary getting to make two or more Court picks. The Anti-abortion movement would be crippled for decades.


326 posted on 02/16/2007 7:37:00 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Defeat Hillary's V'assed Left Wing Conspiracy)
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To: Jim Robinson
#78 & #107

Thank-you!...needs saying often!

465 posted on 02/18/2007 3:59:30 PM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President....2008!)
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