Posted on 02/15/2007 9:59:22 AM PST by NraFreedom
In "Vitriolic e-mails zero in on 'Muslim,'" Elaine Jarvik and Deborah Bulkeley in the Deseret Morning News (thanks to all who sent this in) do not deign to consider the possibility that the Salt Lake mall shootings were jihad-motivated. Instead, the onus is on those with the poor taste to suggest such a thing:
On ultraconservative Web sites like littlegreenfootballs.com, the story of Monday's shooting rampage at Trolley Square has been reduced to one fact: "Salt Lake City Killer Was a Muslim." "Ultraconservative" = "bigoted, racist, evil."
"The media did everything they could to avoid mentioning it, but it's confirmed today that the mass murderer who terrorized a mall in Salt Lake City was a Bosnian Muslim," reads the intro at littlegreenfootballs.com. That's simply a statement of fact. Most news stories about the shooting don't mention this.
At MichaelSavage.com, the Muslim connection is a running-banner headline. At jihadwatch.org, the story begins "Sudden Jihad syndrome? Maybe."
Maybe, i.e., possibly, not certainly. But will Elaine Jarvik and Deborah Bulkeley consider that possibility, and look at other cases in which evidence pointing in this direction has been discounted? Of course not. To do so would be "ultraconservative."
The online stories, as well as Tuesday's and Wednesday's stories in the Deseret Morning News, have resulted in a barrage of vitriolic e-mails to the News from people either angry at the paper for not mentioning the religion of shooter Sulejman Talovic in Wednesday's Web edition, or certain that because Talovic is Muslim that he must be a terrorist. See? Only angry, vitriolic people think this way, and rush to certainties where no certainties can be found. Oh, and never mind that "maybe" at Jihad Watch. Let's sweep it aside with a flood of "vitriolic emails."
There is no record that Talovic attended any of the mosques in the Salt Lake area, according to both Tarek Mosseir, a spokesman for the Islamic Society of Greater Salt Lake, or Bobby Ravish of Muslim Forum. Mosseir noted that many Bosnian Muslims are more secular than religious. "Having lived under Soviet Union rules for decades, where religious freedom was not an option, a majority of these people" are not practicing Muslims, he added. "What I hear is that he came a couple of times at most, to Eid prayers, but I can't confirm that he came."
"There is no record" that he attended. "He came a couple of times at most." Even if these men are telling the truth, this doesn't establish what Elaine Jarvik and Deborah Bulkeley want it to establish. It is unfortunately possible that he could never have gone to the mosque at all and still be jihad-motivated. Consider, for example, that an Al-Qaeda manual directs operatives to "avoid visiting famous Islamic places (mosques, libraries, Islamic fairs, etc.)." Am I suggesting that Talovic was an Al-Qaeda operative? No, I am not. I am suggesting that it is at least a possibility that someone planning a jihad attack would avoid the local mosque.
Although Salt Lake City police have not yet established a motive for the shootings, a handful of Bosnian refugees were verbally harassed at their workplaces on Wednesday, according to the Utah Consortium of Multicultural Groups. Local police report no incidents of violence against Bosnian or other refugees. Here we have the predictable shifting-of-focus which has occurred after countless jihad attacks: from Muslim-as-mass-murderer to Muslims-as-victims. Several people were shot dead in the mall, but never mind that: some Muslims were "verbally harassed"!
"Why dont (sic) you guys just come out and say this was a terrorist attack because he was MUSLIM," wrote one e-mailer to the Deseret Morning News. "There is no doubt in my mind that this young man was carrying out Islamic jihad," wrote another. And another: "Why is it that when I heard about a mall shotting (sic) I thought — Muslim? Sure enough. Are you people in Utah that clueless?" Note the "sics." The message here is that only idiots could possibly think this way.
"He was a Muslim terrorist and you know it you deceitful, cowardly liar," wrote a man with "MD, PhD" after his name. Why, how absurd! How could a right-wing Islamophobic bigot possibly be a doctor with a PhD!
"Welcome to my world," said Ibrahim Hopper, communications director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Washington, D.C., about the angry e-mails. "I get tons of it every day." At least we get your name right here, Mr. "Hopper." Anyway, note that Elaine Jarvik and Deborah Bulkeley show no sign whatsoever of looking into the background of Mr. Hooper's organization.
Anyway, the bottom line is this: in light of the fact that there have been several attacks similar to Talovic's committed by Muslims in the last year, as I detail here, and that in each case authorities have discounted the possibility. All I am asking is that the possibility that such attacks are motivated by the jihad ideology, even in the absence of an institutional connection to a group like Al-Qaeda, be duly considered. Is that too much to ask?
One word. Zebra.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=3693
BTTT
It doesn't look like that is going to be corrected either. And if you are a believer, you know that the future doesn't look good for a Christian in this country, or any other for that matter. In fact, the "great revolt" began a long time ago, and things are only going to get worse.
MY ancestors were dropped out of bell towers in France, does that give me the right to jump on a plane and shoot at people in France today? How far will you go back with these "history lessons" to prove that these people deserved to die? Are we all to pay for yesterdays offenses by our ancestors? If that is the case then blow up the entire planet now because no one is innocent....no not one.
You are trying to teach history as a boogyman to current events. The only one hunting anyone was the person who did the killing. Period.
The ironic fact is that it was the attack on Serbia by NATO, that was largely powered by the America of William Jefferson Blyth Clinton. Both sides were guilty of atrocities. The hiss of female anchors at the time still rankles. "Ethnic cleansing". Again and again. They meant the luckless Serbs, were doing that. It was in fact, that the Bosnian Muslims were being backed by NATO. Could not this suicidal fool SEE?
Post #46. Mention of the Lepine rampage in Canada. His name was Gamil Rodrigue Gharbi. Father, Algerian. Mother, Canadian-Monique Lepine. Every year on the anniversary of the 14 dead women, the feminists have their candle light vigils. The great staring, mock tragic faces. Stop the violence against women.
An off duty police officer was sitting in his mini-van, when two lesbians jumped in. One stabbed him to death. They had been give two months rent money to re-locate. They blew it in one week, returned to Toronto. We have had three stabbing this year in our old town, women on men. Non- fatal.
So it goes- sigh.
It is common for editors to use the EXACT quotes from people adding "sic" following spelling and grammatical mistakes. It is VERY uncommon for them not to do this.
The author's claim is idiotic as anyone with any editorial experience will tell you and this says NOTHING about political motivation. Rather his claim comes from a paranoid view and defensiveness.
Sic. "Thus, so. Used in written texts to indicate that a surprising or paradoxical word, phrase, or fact is not a mistake and is to be read as it stands." The use in the article is the way editors are taught to use it. Of course, its use does point out strangeness but that is not its intent.
Oh..believe me the atheists that make up 50% of DU would argue with you about that. It's called divide and conquerer. Would you go after all religions at once or would you bring down one at a time?
Remember....they want us to be like Europe.
There were eight people quoted. Two had mistakes and were not that different in sentiment than some of those quoted which did not. Thus, this statement is not correct "The implied message of the article writer is that only poor spellers, who also do not use proper grammer and punctuation, think in such un-PC terms." Un PC sentiments without mistakes were quoted as well.
I agree, but the people who come here NOW are hailed by the Leftist scum for being "diverse" and every effort [seemingly] by the government is designed to assuage them and make them "right" in all situations.
I'm well aware of the warlord mentality of Mohammed.
Nice job of reading YOUR bias into MY statements.
Have you considered politics....???
I didn't say they legitimately used the establishment clause. However, until we can get the Supreme Court to be something other than a super-legislature, the establishment clause will continue to be redefined for the country.
If Congress wants to remain in any sort of power, they should impeach justices much more readily when they stray into legislation.
As I state in my post, the neighbors have said that the shooter was virtually a hermit. To me that implies isolation.
I do not "hate" anyone; especially this person. I am sorry you interrpreted my post as "hate."
Well, I don't know what to say about your Polish anything. I am not glib nor am I ignorant to my country's anything. I stay "up to date" as you put it for a reason.
BTW, Have a nice day.
That's because the MSM refuses to ask the questions.
As always, the Muslims are good at playing the victim while being the agressor, and are good at manipulating media, creating false stories. Just like the "mass graves" at Jenin, they showed through the media old bones dug up from old graves. Amazing how fast the flesh decomposes when there is an atrocity committed against poor peacefull Islamic victims.
Correct that is a possible reason those emails were selected. Some posters here are stupid and/or stubborn and will never admit what you say could be correct. They will just try to obscure the issue with faulty logical arguments. Your better off ignoring them from the beginning because you will end up having to give up and ignoring them later anyway.
Sic semper editus.
Deseret is not 'MSM.' It's an agency of the LDS church, and that makes the story all the more troubling.
True; but pushing buttons can be fun, too.
Thanks for the update.
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