Posted on 02/15/2007 9:59:22 AM PST by NraFreedom
In "Vitriolic e-mails zero in on 'Muslim,'" Elaine Jarvik and Deborah Bulkeley in the Deseret Morning News (thanks to all who sent this in) do not deign to consider the possibility that the Salt Lake mall shootings were jihad-motivated. Instead, the onus is on those with the poor taste to suggest such a thing:
On ultraconservative Web sites like littlegreenfootballs.com, the story of Monday's shooting rampage at Trolley Square has been reduced to one fact: "Salt Lake City Killer Was a Muslim." "Ultraconservative" = "bigoted, racist, evil."
"The media did everything they could to avoid mentioning it, but it's confirmed today that the mass murderer who terrorized a mall in Salt Lake City was a Bosnian Muslim," reads the intro at littlegreenfootballs.com. That's simply a statement of fact. Most news stories about the shooting don't mention this.
At MichaelSavage.com, the Muslim connection is a running-banner headline. At jihadwatch.org, the story begins "Sudden Jihad syndrome? Maybe."
Maybe, i.e., possibly, not certainly. But will Elaine Jarvik and Deborah Bulkeley consider that possibility, and look at other cases in which evidence pointing in this direction has been discounted? Of course not. To do so would be "ultraconservative."
The online stories, as well as Tuesday's and Wednesday's stories in the Deseret Morning News, have resulted in a barrage of vitriolic e-mails to the News from people either angry at the paper for not mentioning the religion of shooter Sulejman Talovic in Wednesday's Web edition, or certain that because Talovic is Muslim that he must be a terrorist. See? Only angry, vitriolic people think this way, and rush to certainties where no certainties can be found. Oh, and never mind that "maybe" at Jihad Watch. Let's sweep it aside with a flood of "vitriolic emails."
There is no record that Talovic attended any of the mosques in the Salt Lake area, according to both Tarek Mosseir, a spokesman for the Islamic Society of Greater Salt Lake, or Bobby Ravish of Muslim Forum. Mosseir noted that many Bosnian Muslims are more secular than religious. "Having lived under Soviet Union rules for decades, where religious freedom was not an option, a majority of these people" are not practicing Muslims, he added. "What I hear is that he came a couple of times at most, to Eid prayers, but I can't confirm that he came."
"There is no record" that he attended. "He came a couple of times at most." Even if these men are telling the truth, this doesn't establish what Elaine Jarvik and Deborah Bulkeley want it to establish. It is unfortunately possible that he could never have gone to the mosque at all and still be jihad-motivated. Consider, for example, that an Al-Qaeda manual directs operatives to "avoid visiting famous Islamic places (mosques, libraries, Islamic fairs, etc.)." Am I suggesting that Talovic was an Al-Qaeda operative? No, I am not. I am suggesting that it is at least a possibility that someone planning a jihad attack would avoid the local mosque.
Although Salt Lake City police have not yet established a motive for the shootings, a handful of Bosnian refugees were verbally harassed at their workplaces on Wednesday, according to the Utah Consortium of Multicultural Groups. Local police report no incidents of violence against Bosnian or other refugees. Here we have the predictable shifting-of-focus which has occurred after countless jihad attacks: from Muslim-as-mass-murderer to Muslims-as-victims. Several people were shot dead in the mall, but never mind that: some Muslims were "verbally harassed"!
"Why dont (sic) you guys just come out and say this was a terrorist attack because he was MUSLIM," wrote one e-mailer to the Deseret Morning News. "There is no doubt in my mind that this young man was carrying out Islamic jihad," wrote another. And another: "Why is it that when I heard about a mall shotting (sic) I thought — Muslim? Sure enough. Are you people in Utah that clueless?" Note the "sics." The message here is that only idiots could possibly think this way.
"He was a Muslim terrorist and you know it you deceitful, cowardly liar," wrote a man with "MD, PhD" after his name. Why, how absurd! How could a right-wing Islamophobic bigot possibly be a doctor with a PhD!
"Welcome to my world," said Ibrahim Hopper, communications director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Washington, D.C., about the angry e-mails. "I get tons of it every day." At least we get your name right here, Mr. "Hopper." Anyway, note that Elaine Jarvik and Deborah Bulkeley show no sign whatsoever of looking into the background of Mr. Hooper's organization.
Anyway, the bottom line is this: in light of the fact that there have been several attacks similar to Talovic's committed by Muslims in the last year, as I detail here, and that in each case authorities have discounted the possibility. All I am asking is that the possibility that such attacks are motivated by the jihad ideology, even in the absence of an institutional connection to a group like Al-Qaeda, be duly considered. Is that too much to ask?
I think the ones who are trying to deflect attention from a possible religious explanation -- and I'm not saying this IS the explanation -- by bringing up Columbine are missing the point.
If I recall correctly, Harris and Kebold were dabblers in the Goth culture, which, like radical Islam, also devalues human life and glorifies death. Ideas have consequences.
If this young man had been taught that non-Muslim Americans were the equivalent of pigs and monkeys, that the ultimate fate of infidels is death, and that by dying in the act of Jihad he would get him 72 virgins for eternity, then, it seems to me, that is a relevant consideration in the search for his "motive."
How about that entire familly that was hacked up in Buffalo or near Buffalo a couple years back? That was done by a muslim, but the media killed that as fast as possible.
CAIR getting unfriendly emails=random shoppers shot dead in a mall.
I am so sick of these asshats.
Link to video in #39:
http://www.kutv.com/video/?id=23425@kutv.dayport.com">http://www.kutv.com/video/?id=23425@kutv.dayport.com
There was also a shooting in Montreal years back. (not this most recent one, which seems to be connected to Goth cult)
Lepine? (not his real muslim name) Canadian media completely ignored the Muslim connection, the fact that his father was a strict Muslim, hated women. This kid, thinking it was women at the Montreal University who were holding up his education, went nuts and shot a bunch of women, bringing about the liberal gun registry.
They need to register illegal muslims in Canada, not legal guns.
REVISED LINK:
http://kutv.com/video/?id=23425@kutv.dayport.com">http://kutv.com/video/?id=23425@kutv.dayport.com
Plus there are a number of "Honor killings" every year which are never reported as such.
"The writer of the article does not understand it. The writer quoted by him does. The former makes a really dumb remark after the quote "Note the 'sics'. The message here is only those who are idiots could possibility think this way." That is NOT what the "sics" mean."
You're right. This part of the article is just plain dumb because it shows either that the author is twisting passages to suit his agenda or he just doesn't understand why the "sics" were used the way they were.
The comment in the article that "Bosnian muslims are mostly secular" is a bunch of BS as well. They are every bit as radical as the rest. They've destroyed cenruries old orthadox monastaries, and use other churches -abandoned because of the fighting- as public urnals to prove how "secular" they are.
The same can be said about almost every group of non-English speaking immigrants. Almost every big city in North America has a "Little Italy" and "Chinatown" and many have a "Little Havana" or other ethnic areas.
It's unreasonable enough to expect that liberal "journalists" be educated in English. You want them to understand Latin usages as well?
A Jihad of one.
self apparent.
Who in the world is Desert Rat News?
DUH!! If this was going to happen.....don't they think it would have happened right after 9/11?
If they keep lying to people and telling people to shut up it is more likely to cause increased frustration. Are they purposely trying to provoke people by telling all these lies while at the same time trying to silence them? I'm beginning to think so.
You can never underestimate the Anti-American, Pro-communism, Pro-terrorism, Anti-Religion leftists that infested the media. They have an agenda and it does not have the interests of most Americans at heart.
Keep your cool and NEVER shut up!
In the 1980's - either 86 or 87 - I remember reading in the Navy Times about some guy who shot and killed his Navy Instructor at the ET school located at Great Lakes. He was a Saudi and was failing. Because his 'honor' was at stake, he shot and killed his instructor. I do not know if he was a practicing Muslim - I believe he came from the Saud family. Does anyone remember anything about this?
You need to look at the source!
From Wiki
The Deseret Morning News is a newspaper published in Salt Lake City, Utah, and is Utah's oldest continually published daily newspaper. It has the second largest daily circulation in the state behind The Salt Lake Tribune. The Deseret Morning News is owned by Deseret News Publishing Company, a subsidiary of Deseret Management Corporation, which is a for-profit business holdings company owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (widely known as the Mormon or LDS Church).
The newspaper is published by Newspaper Agency Corporation, which it co-owns with the Tribune under a joint operating agreement. As of 2000, its circulation was roughly half of the Tribune's.
The Deseret Morning News also publishes a weekly tabloid, the LDS Church News, which is included as a section in the newspaper and also distributed as a separate publication outside Utah.
The mall owners, ScanlanKemperBard Companies, are out of Portland, and purchased the property from the Simon Group. There was some questions about tax cuts/breaks before the development, so I don't know what the connection between the mall owners and local pols might be.
My point? Not a muzzie claims driven by - old money covering its six.....
They do not assimilate into western society. Those that do, mysteriously vanish, either they are in hiding because they are apostates or ? Of those that end up murdered, I wonder how many cases are unsolved, or have suspicious explanations. You can bet the media won't look to deeply into these cases.
1st paragraph (red added for emphasis):
"He fled a war with his family as a child and came to Utah as a refugee. He floated from school to school before dropping out. A Muslim, he sometimes attended a Salt Lake City mosque for Friday prayers before landing a full-time job to help support his parents and three sisters. "
Buried 16 or so paragraphs down(red added for emphasis):
"Although he quit school at 16, Sulejman Talovic often attended Friday prayers at the Al-Noor mosque on 700 East in Salt Lake City, said Salih Omerovic, Ajka's cousin."
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