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Public school lawyers say parents have no say if public schools teach homosexuality
World Net Daily ^ | Feb. 14, 2007

Posted on 02/14/2007 10:26:32 PM PST by SeasideSparrow

Lawyers representing a Massachusetts school district named as a defendant in a parent's civil rights complaint have said teachers at Estabrook Elementary School have a "legitimate state interest" in teaching the homosexual lifestyle, and parents have no input into those decisions....

...."The state must fight 'discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation' in ways that 'do not perpetuate stereotypes,'" the lawyers for the school district argued. They also explained to the judge that, in their opinion, parents have no right to control what ideas the school presents to elementary schoolchildren, and if parents disagree with that dictate, they can take their children elsewhere.

"Once I have elected to send my child to public school, my fundamental right does not allow me to direct what my child is exposed to in the public school," said the school's lawyer....


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chspe; culturalmarxism; gaystapo; government; gramsci; heterophobia; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; judiciary; pedophiles; perverts; publicschools; queerschools
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To: SeasideSparrow
It's not far off, unless more parents wake up fast.

I have always said that. After three kids,18 years in the public school system and various different schools along the way. The commom denominator of what is wrong with the school system is the parents. If there are bad teachers, the parents will get rid of them, if there is an imcompetent school administration the parents will get elected to the school board and fire them. If the parents do not like what is taught district wide, they can change it.

But apathy, poor parenting, ignorant adults, misbehaving children are all on the parents heads!!

61 posted on 02/15/2007 6:47:46 AM PST by thirst4truth
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To: Shimmer128
Well, yes he does

No he doesn't. You may *think* he has such a right (or maybe you just wish or think he *should* have such a right), but the fact remains that he doesn't. He has no more right to veto the curriculum than does any other parent. At most he can keep his kid away. He's not the Boss of what goes on there though.

62 posted on 02/15/2007 8:19:08 AM PST by Sandy
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To: Sandy; pandoraou812; All

A lot of the garbage being promoted in schools comes down from the NEA, an organization which, quite frankly, is in bed with homosexual activists. And it's just sad that more teachers and administrators don't stand up to it, but go along. It's either that or they're in with the NEA.

Pandora, kudos to you for being determined to homeschool your child. Studies prove that parents by far make the best educators, both academically and socially:
www.nheri.org

Also, this site can be an encouragement:
www.thinkingofhomeschooling.org

Your child will benefit greatly from your caring concern and love.


63 posted on 02/15/2007 12:22:43 PM PST by SeasideSparrow
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To: SeasideSparrow
Educational tyranny with parents paying the bill vie taxes!

How nice!

Private school (conservative) or homeschool to have control over what values and beliefs are implanted in your child's heart/mind.
64 posted on 02/15/2007 12:28:17 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: SeasideSparrow
Educational tyranny with parents paying the bill vie taxes!

How nice!

Private school (conservative) or homeschool to have control over what values and beliefs are implanted in your child's heart/mind.

Also push for VOUCHERS!

65 posted on 02/15/2007 12:28:36 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Kevmo

What you should demand are VOUCHERS.

WHY subsidize this ****?

Fast tracking is all fine and good but you are PAYING for this ****? Stop FUNDING IT!


66 posted on 02/15/2007 12:30:02 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: pandoraou812

Outrageous as usual!

A couple of courses of action come to mind:

1. FIGHT IT! Outrigthtly FIGHT it.

2. Give in and continue SUBSIDIZING this crap and either send your child to a

a)conservative private school

b)or homeschool them while your taxes FEED debauchery.

The best course of action is to FIGHT it and FIGHT for vouchers. There is no sane reason in the world to FUND this **** whether you homes school or private school. If you insist on public school you need to fight this all the more! It's disgusting.


67 posted on 02/15/2007 12:34:32 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh; All

Glad to see some fervor! Good deal. ;o)

The deal with vouchers is the government can still attach strings.

The best situation would be tax credits for people who homeschool, at least according to the Home School Legal Defense Association.


68 posted on 02/15/2007 12:36:51 PM PST by SeasideSparrow
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To: SeasideSparrow

"The best situation would be tax credits for people who homeschool, at least according to the Home School Legal Defense Association."

THAT would be the IDEAL.

I know I am sick and tired of paying for a PUBLIC school when ours goes to a PRIVATE school (very conervative).


69 posted on 02/15/2007 12:39:13 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: SeasideSparrow
"The best situation would be tax credits for people who homeschool, at least according to the Home School Legal Defense Association."

THAT would be the IDEAL - for THOSE WHO HOMESCHOOL.

BUT those like us who privates school to get away from public school debauchery - also need RELIEF. Give Private and Home schoolers tax credits. Then it would be fair.

I know I am sick and tired of paying for a PUBLIC school when ours goes to a PRIVATE school (very conservative).
70 posted on 02/15/2007 12:40:40 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: SeasideSparrow

At this point, any parent that has not removed their children from the government schools should be jailed for endangerment.


71 posted on 02/15/2007 12:43:46 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: SeasideSparrow

IF you put your children in Public Schools as anything less than an absolute last resort, you engage in child abuse, pure and simple.


72 posted on 02/15/2007 12:48:01 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: VeritatisSplendor
"I had the hardest time getting him to write but we did fairly well with the rest of it."

You have to give them something that they're interested in before they will willingly write. That requires really knowing your child; you have to observe what they do of their own accord.

73 posted on 02/15/2007 12:53:45 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor

Sorry, it's harder than that. I could give him a subject that fascinated him and it would be "Why are you ruining this for me by making me write about it?" Every now and then we'd hit on something but never anything to run with.

He has organizational problems and I'd help him by giving him a framework sometimes, and I tried to teach him how to come up with his own frameworks, but it wasn't something he was ready for.

Mrs VS


74 posted on 02/15/2007 1:21:58 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: VeritatisSplendor

Yea, not everyone is a writer I guess.


75 posted on 02/15/2007 1:45:50 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: nmh

Yes... It sure is. Shaking my head again. I will try to home school all this coming summer and see how it goes....~P~


76 posted on 02/15/2007 1:58:20 PM PST by pandoraou812 ( zero tolerance to the will of Allah ...... dilligaf? with an efg.....)
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To: pandoraou812; VeritatisSplendor; All

VS, I think you and Pandora hit on three keys to effective homeschooling:

1. There is a time for everything and just because a child doesn't "fit" the public school model of timing does not mean he won't learn a subject eventually when he's ready. Reading is definitely like that. Read anything you can get by Raymond Moore. (I always think of how worried parents are when their kid doesn't walk "on time" or he isn't "potty trained" when all the other little tikes are. Hey, they all learn when they're ready. Which reminds me of another good book: In Their Own Way by Armstrong).

2. Teaching a child discipline is priority #1. If you don't have that covered then little else will go forward. And don't think it will get better if you put your kid in public school. It won't. You're the parent and know your child better than anyone else. Start disciplining in small steps and then work your way to bigger ones.

3. Anything worthwhile and important cannot be approached with an "I'll wait and see how it goes" attitude. You set your mind full throttle to do something and it eventually begins coming together. It's like that with everything. The studies show homeschooling works so there is no reason to take it a year at a time. It works. Approach your job with determination and your kid will pick up on it and move forward. If he thinks you'll give up if it doesn't work, then he'll give up before it works.


77 posted on 02/15/2007 2:29:52 PM PST by SeasideSparrow
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To: pandoraou812
I do some in the summertime ... Saxon for Math ... reading I select the books carefully, Christian Heritage for History (don't have to be ashamed of your country) and BJU for Science ... Saxon Phonics and Spelling is typically the curriculum I use.

Next year, third grade, we have a choice between Latin and Spanish. We'll do Latin. I REFUSE to get involved with Spanish. If people here in the U.S. don't want to speak the language ... I don't want to be around them. I've yet to see a Spanish speaking country be an economic giant or a world player of any significance. Latin is useful for word roots, spelling and vocabulary in ENGLISH. She has been taking Mandarin, outside of school for three years - oral and written. It works out well.

This summer we'll be doing more with experiments. Cooking that you can eat experiments and the more traditional approach. As she becomes more emotionally mature, I'll have her tested out for skipping grades. The private tuition bill is a pain ... .

I will do all possible to have her stay out of a public school. While some are better than others ... ALL have the same federal guidelines and the same catering to the lowest student. Ours will give out separate assignments to those in the same grade who are more advanced but the problem is that it OFTEN contradicts our values/beliefs and fraught with secular errors.

I'd also prefer to have her THINK rather than be indoctrinated ... for example a Greenpeace militant or an emotionally disturbed person that sees no purpose in being RESPONSIBLE for actions. I constantly see IRRESPONSIBILITY being pushed.

78 posted on 02/15/2007 4:07:13 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: SeasideSparrow
I'd also like to see those WITHOUT children or RETIRED NOT pay money for education. WHY should they? They are NOT benefiting from our current government schools? Those homeschooling or private schooling SHOULD get TAX CREDITS to do as they deem fit. If public schools shut down, so be it. If their good, they won't shut down. If they are NOT, then they should shut down. That's how I see it. Kids deserve the best - out current tyrannical tax system to support substandard schooling with depravity snuck in as part of the curriculum, in NOT acceptable.
79 posted on 02/15/2007 4:11:16 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh; All

Well said, nmh.

Some people say if public schools were drained of students they would get even worse.

I seriously doubt that. They can't get much worse afterall. If fewer students attended at least class sizes would be smaller. That would help the kids get more attention than they do now.

And taxpayers wouldn't be ripped off spending money on continual building projects.

The best would be for all tax-funded government K-12 daycare centers to be abolished and control given to parents to find creative ways of educating their children that actually work.


80 posted on 02/15/2007 5:17:49 PM PST by SeasideSparrow
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