Cheney Says Bush Will Veto Pro-Union Bill

The Politico ^ | Februrary 14, 2007

[You Dirty Rats]

wrong the purpose of a union is collective barganing a fundelmental labor right, without which we would all be screwed.

Collective bargaining is only a "right" if a majority of the duly defined bargaining unit votes for it. In many cases workers vote against it, as for example in the auto industry where the UAW has unions at the Big Three plants, but not at Toyota or Honda.

In fact in Marysville OH the UAW called off the secret ballot to establish them at Honda despite the fact they had cards signed. The UAW knew that an election would result in a humiliating defeat for them.

As a manager in a partially unionized manufacturing company it is my firm belief that management gets the union they deserve.

[Beagle8U]

"Also, there are many union contracts that provide for unequal pay."

Unequal pay for the same exact job classification?

[You Dirty Rats]

I haven't seen a U.S. union yet that wasn't radically left wing.

The Teamsters under Jackie Presser supported the re-election of President Reagan.

[Beagle8U]

"C'mon Beagle. Be a man, admit A.Pole's point is correct and stop parsing words like a Clinton"

Which point is that? This thread and the bill in question is about American unions.

[You Dirty Rats]

Unequal pay for the same exact job classification?

There are contracts that pay on a piecework basis. There are all kinds of different pay schemes in union contracts -- including so-called two tier contracts. There are bonuses and penalties for various quality targets, safety targets, elimination or reduction of scrap, etc. These can be applied plantwide or in a given department or area.

[raybbr]

Yeah, but you are claiming they are pluses. Each of those acts, and more, were wrong. Bush is useless as a leader here at home. He's turned his back on true conservatism, particularly fiscal conservatism. He's impotent on domestic issues because he can't lead his own party.

I voted for him twice becaues the alternative was too ghastly to imagine. But. That does not mean Bush was an effective leader. He didn't lead me to vote for him. It was the converse - Gore and Kerry drove me to Bush.

I had high hopes for conservatism when he won the first time. He has dashed all those hopes with his infinite diffidence to what is going on at home.

Federal Govt. intrusion at all levels has tripled under Bush - with his blessing.

[right-wingin_It]

Your list is long, but I think you missed somethings...For instance, wasn't there a bill he signed to protect persons who choose to fly the US flag on there property?

[jpsb]

"Collective bargaining is only a "right" if a majority of the duly defined bargaining unit votes for it."

True, and managemnet can fire all of them if management wants to. I am not a union hater but I think elections not petitions is proper. So vetoing this is the right thing to do.

[Beagle8U]

Every union I have ever belonged to fought tooth and nail against piece work pay, even though some had it. The ones that did have it wanted it based on the collective output at the end of the line.

The two tier wage is something they fight but will go along with if it keeps a plant open so they get their union dues.

Do you deny that unions are based on the collective body rather than the individual?

[nascarnation]

"card check" is basically a free pass for union goons to intimidate a workplace and secure union control without a secret ballot election.

you can see how it would be a Democratic fund raising bonanza as millions of added workers were forced to pay union dues which would turn into political contributions

[trisham]

President Bush will veto pending legislation aimed at boosting union strength

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This is excellent news.

[j_tull]

Easy big fella, he hasn't actually done it yet. I hope he will, but....

[slapshot]

Why waste the time? A large percentage of union members (steelworkers specifically) are brainwashed robots who have essentially transferred independent thought to their stewards. It is unbelievable how oblivious to facts many are.

Intimidation and fear of being considered out of the herd is a big factor. Anyone expressing any thought outside the dogma is immediately accused of going against his union brothers and sisters.

As evidence I submit the People's Republic of Lake County. The most bloated, ineffective Democrat machine in the US>

[A. Pole]

President Bush will veto pending legislation aimed at boosting union strength

Is it going to be his first veto?

[Old_Mil]

Signature cards can be forged. It's a bit more difficult to illegally influence the outcome of an NRLB election. Good for Bush.

[Lancey Howard]

Veto? Wouldn't it have to pass the Senate, ie., get 60 votes for cloture, first?

[RWR8189]

Its not uncommon for the Senate to invoke cloture on a bill and have it end up passing with 51 votes.

[Southack]

"Yeah, but you are claiming they are pluses."

No, you simply aren't reading. I'm listing what he's **accomplished**.

First, you didn't read enough...so you claimed that I didn't list Medicaid Reform, border security, and No child Left Behind.

Then you didn't read enough again...so you claimed that I was only listing plusses.

In short, you are grasping for words that make you look "right" instead of searching for facts regardless of what they may mean.

You'd be better served to read more, read slower, and talk less.

[TheZMan]

Apparently I can't read either. Could you copy paste the aforementioned requests for missing tidbits wherein you've listed something other than plusses(sic)?

I went back and read through it again, just to be sure.

[raybbr]

In short, you are grasping for words that make you look "right" instead of searching for facts regardless of what they may mean.

Here's a fact: Bush didn't do most of the things you listed. He just signed the bill. Giving Bush credit for something Congress has done, whether it was good or bad, is fallacious.

Before you make your next assertion about NCLB, Medicaid, etc (that you could say the same thing about my claim) you are right. Bush could have vetoed but he didn't. He even put his comments on CFR that he thougt it was not a good law but signed anyway.

Bush is not a leader.