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Illegals seek tuition break
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | February 14, 2007 | Randy James

Posted on 02/14/2007 12:41:46 PM PST by Graybeard58

HARTFORD -- Victoria Perez traveled to the state Capitol Tuesday to ask for a future.

Perez, a senior at New Haven's Wilbur Cross High School, aspires to go to college next year to prepare for a career in criminal justice. But she has no idea how she'll foot the bill.

The problem: She's in the United States illegally, and therefore doesn't qualify for in-state tuition rates at Connecticut's public colleges and universities. Out-of-state tuition costs three times as much.

To Perez, a native Mexican brought to the United States at 3 years old, that simply isn't fair.

"We're all created equal. I mean, we're all humans," the soft-spoken 18-year-old said.

Perez and dozens of immigrant-rights activists gathered in Hartford on Tuesday to support a bill to change that policy and extend in-state tuition rates to all residents, regardless of immigration status, at the University of Connecticut, community colleges and other public schools.

"There is no group as disenfranchised in the education system as undocumented students," said Rep. Felipe Reinoso, D-Hartford, a sponsor of the measure.

Ten other states have passed similar laws.

Those favoring the idea list numerous advantages, from improving the quality of the state's work force to extending basic decency to ambitious young people who, in many cases, did not personally violate the law.

"These kids were brought here, sometimes without any choice or against their will," Attorney General Richard Blumenthal said.

Supporters also note that federal student aid is off-limits to illegal immigrants.

The bill has no formal cost estimate, though it's certain to impact taxpayers, who subsidize in-state seats at public colleges. Some supporters estimate no more than 250 students would take advantage of the discount each year.

Regardless, Blumenthal said, the price would be fully justified, calling it "an investment that will repay itself many times over."

The idea also faces plenty of opponents, and a similar bill was narrowly defeated by the legislature two years ago. Since then, the issue has become far more polarized as immigration has accelerated.

About 11 percent of Connecticut's population was foreign-born in 2000, according to the U.S. Census, up from 8.5 percent in 1990, a difference of about 91,000 people.

During Tuesday's hearing before the higher education committee, Sen. Dan Debicella, R-Shelton, called the bill "a massive subsidy" for illegal immigrants.

"If someone has not followed the laws of the U.S. to become a citizen, why do they deserve to get the same level of tuition as legal residents?" Debicella asked.

"This seems to reward behavior that we seek to deter," the senator said.

Rep. Pamela Z. Sawyer, R-Bolton, worried the measure could hurt the state's aspiring college students by heightening the competition for admission. Many community college students are single mothers struggling to make ends meet, she said.

"There are a lot of pressures on education dollars currently in the state of Connecticut," Sawyer said.

Though several religious and civil liberties groups support the measure, it's certain to face opposition from critics of illegal immigration. Connecticut Citizens for Immigration Control, a group based in Darien, mobilized significant opposition to the idea when it last faced a vote in 2005.

Rep. Selim Noujaim, R-74th District, a member of the higher education committee, said he would support the bill only for undocumented students who were brought to the United States by their parents.

"If they entered the country illegally, I would not want any part of it," said Noujaim, who was born in Lebanon and moved to the U.S. legally in 1971.

Nadia Minor, one supporter of the bill, counts herself among the lucky.

A Mexican and a cousin of Victoria Perez, she was brought to the United States at 7 years old. Though the 20-year-old graduated in the top 5 percent of her New Haven high school class, she said, she expected her illegal status to block her from college. She didn't even apply.

But Perez eventually won legal residency, thanks to her mother's native-born husband, and now attends Central Connecticut State University. She wants her cousin and her friends to have the same opportunity.

"I feel like we're paying for mistakes we didn't make," said Minor, who hopes to attend law school. "We didn't choose to come here."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalaliens; illegalinvaders; instatetuition
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To: Graybeard58
To Perez, a native Mexican brought to the United States at 3 years old, that simply isn't fair. "We're all created equal. I mean, we're all humans," the soft-spoken 18-year-old said.

Too bad she can't get her reduced tuition...she'd do well at most universities.

41 posted on 02/14/2007 1:26:58 PM PST by Mr.Unique ("Are you gonna propose? Because if you're not, quit staring at me!")
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To: Gay State Conservative
A federal criminal hoping for a career in "criminal justice"?

That's not so unusual.

42 posted on 02/14/2007 1:30:52 PM PST by Mr.Unique ("Are you gonna propose? Because if you're not, quit staring at me!")
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To: Graybeard58
"We're all created equal. I mean, we're all humans," the soft-spoken 18-year-old said.

Yeah, "soft spoken" till it's time to march in the streets.

43 posted on 02/14/2007 1:38:08 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Graybeard58
Hey Victoria, soft spoken or not, you're a CRIMINAL! You are in MY country illegally.

If you want to go to college so badly, do the RIGHT ting and return to your native country and continue your schooling.

You people piss me off!
44 posted on 02/14/2007 1:40:11 PM PST by upchuck (Wanted: Conservatives to go read this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1771175/posts)
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To: Graybeard58
"Perez, a senior at New Haven's Wilbur Cross High School, aspires to go to college next year to prepare for a career in criminal justice. . . . She's in the United States illegally,"

oh, the Irony.
45 posted on 02/14/2007 1:42:08 PM PST by stompk
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To: Eva
Here in CT the vast majority of sheeple don't care enough to do anything. With the gov. just proprosing a hike in the income tax you would think this would make people go "No way!" but they won't.

I want out of CT. I wish my wife would agree.

46 posted on 02/14/2007 1:43:18 PM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote.)
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To: Graybeard58

""There is no group as disenfranchised in the education system as undocumented students," said Rep. Felipe Reinoso, D-Hartford, a sponsor of the measure."


UNDOCUMENTED STUDENTS?

This POS and the ILLEGAL ALIENS he's fighting for should
GTFO of MY COUNTRY.


47 posted on 02/14/2007 1:46:06 PM PST by Doninnj
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To: Graybeard58

I didn't finish my college years ago because my parents business burned down, and my funds were nil.

Now these kids want a free ride.

Sorry. No dice!


48 posted on 02/14/2007 1:47:16 PM PST by Sen Jack S. Fogbound ( Moonbats are permanently insane!)
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To: EEDUDE

Hey, you could always try the "equal protection clause" route if the criminal aliens get instate tuition.


49 posted on 02/14/2007 1:58:54 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Doninnj

If this nonsense keeps continuing on, it's going to come to a point, where things are going to get pretty ugly.


50 posted on 02/14/2007 2:03:25 PM PST by stbdside
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To: Graybeard58; All
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51 posted on 02/14/2007 2:06:42 PM PST by musicman
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To: Graybeard58

This is a hoot:

[Regardless, Blumenthal said, the price would be fully justified, calling it "an investment that will repay itself many times over."]

How exactly will it repay itself ? As an illegal alien, these people cannot legally put their educations to use in the US -- they can't legally be employed. So how exactly will this be an "investment" in the state's future ?

The state has already wasted over $100K educating this illegal alien in K-12. Educating a person at the state's expense who can never legally earn a living, and therefor not pay taxes or contribute to the economy ? That's a stupid "investment."


52 posted on 02/14/2007 2:12:43 PM PST by Kellis91789
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To: kdot

She's here ILLEGALLY !

She can't legally hold a job. Even if she does go to college, she won't be able to legally hold a job in the US. Certainly the taxpayer-funded public colleges should not waste any more money on somebody that can never legally work and become a taxpayer themselves.


53 posted on 02/14/2007 2:23:15 PM PST by Kellis91789
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To: Graybeard58

And hpw, pray tell, does that illegal person expect to use that cj degree, as a sworn LEO?


54 posted on 02/14/2007 2:26:03 PM PST by NonValueAdded (Prevent Glo-Ball Warming ... turn out the sun when not in use)
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To: org.whodat

I put in exception in that an illegal can't join the military. A green card is needed if your an immigrant.


55 posted on 02/14/2007 2:41:21 PM PST by art_rocks
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To: Graybeard58

1. why haven't her parents seen to it that she became a citizen
2. how on earth is she going to get a job
3. has she received any sort of benefits illegally
4. is she driving and has a license
5. has she committed id theft and had a job already


56 posted on 02/14/2007 2:48:03 PM PST by machogirl
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To: Doogle

And I didn't bring you here, or want you here, and I definitely don't want you taking up money that I have paid in taxes for American citizens to go to school. I also don't want to pay for your housing, medical care, food, etc.

Maybe you didn't choose to come here but I didn't choose for you to come here either so you are NOT my responsibility, go back where you came from.


57 posted on 02/14/2007 2:51:13 PM PST by sheana
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To: Graybeard58
""I feel like we're paying for mistakes we didn't make," said Minor, who hopes to attend law school."

So instead, US citizens and legal immigrants should pay.
58 posted on 02/14/2007 2:55:15 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: sheana
yeah this gets me.........she was brought to the United States at 7 years old. Though the 20-year-old graduated in the top 5 percent of her New Haven high school class, she said, she expected her illegal status to block her from college. She didn't even apply.

...yeah she didn't even apply....guess applying for citizenship is out of the question too....probably going to be an immigration lawyer to boot....

59 posted on 02/14/2007 3:44:44 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)
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To: Kellis91789
That's a stupid "investment."

How well the RATs do at changing the language. This "investment" nonsense started with Clinton. He knew the American people were in no mood for massive increases in government spending, so instead of spending, the government now "invests".

We need to stop using their false language. ITS SPENDING!

60 posted on 02/14/2007 4:43:41 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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