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I Probably Cannot Do It: Rudy 2008 (The author means not vote for Rudy and tells you why)
CaliforniaRepublic.org ^ | 2/13/07 | John Mark Reynolds

Posted on 02/13/2007 10:25:55 AM PST by NormsRevenge

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John Mark Reynolds is the founder and director of the Torrey Honors Institute, and Associate Professor of Philosophy, at Biola University. His personal website can be found at www.johnmarkreynolds.com and his blog can be found at www.johnmarkreynolds.info.
1 posted on 02/13/2007 10:26:02 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

…most of Clintons Policies are very similar to most of mine... Rudy Giuliani 1996

I’ve said that I’ll uphold a woman’s right to choice, that I will fund abortions so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right others can exercise… Rudy Giuliani 1989.

On Gun Control This is an industry that is profiting from the suffering of innocent people. What’s worse, its profits rest on a number of illegal and immoral practices. This lawsuit is meant to end the free pass that the gun industry has so long enjoyed... Rudy Giuliani 2000 after filing suit against gun makers and distributors.

On Gun Control We need a federal law that bans all assault weapons, and if in fact you do need a handgun you should be subjected to at least the same restrictions-and really stronger ones-that exist for driving an automobile... Rudy Giuliani 1997

2 posted on 02/13/2007 10:30:18 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: NormsRevenge

And I should care what this author thinks because?.........


3 posted on 02/13/2007 10:30:41 AM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: NormsRevenge; Liz; Reagan Man; Spiff; TommyDale
I've stated often that Giuliani is not running out of any deeply held love for America or the American ideal. He covets the prestige and power of the Oval Office.


"Pro-lifers are merely treating Rudy EXACTLY the way Rudy himself treats the unborn.........as a disposable nuisance". (HT to Liz)
4 posted on 02/13/2007 10:31:02 AM PST by jla
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To: NormsRevenge

I don't know John Mark Reynolds, but I'm in complete agreement with this article.


5 posted on 02/13/2007 10:31:25 AM PST by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: NormsRevenge

John Mark Reynolds is an idiot. I certainly will not vote for Giuliani in the primary, but if he wins the nomination, then a failure to vote for him is the exact same thing as a vote for Hillary Clinton.


6 posted on 02/13/2007 10:32:00 AM PST by presidio9 (There is something wonderful about a country that produces a brave and humble man like Wesley Autrey)
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To: NormsRevenge

Mussolini "made the trains run on time," too.

That doesn't mean that it is impossible to make trains run on time without fascism.

Nor is it impossible to have a Republican nominee who can win who isn't a leftist in so many important ways.


7 posted on 02/13/2007 10:32:06 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: presidio9
I certainly will not vote for Giuliani in the primary, but if he wins the nomination, then a failure to vote for him is the exact same thing as a vote for Hillary Clinton.


I'd prefer an enemy in my face with allies at my side, then getting stabbed in the back by a "friend."

Honestly, our Republic would be safer under 4 terrible years of Hillary than with Rudy at the helm.
8 posted on 02/13/2007 10:33:34 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: NormsRevenge
Romney?

nope...thanks anyway
9 posted on 02/13/2007 10:33:48 AM PST by firewalk
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To: Beelzebubba

---"Honestly, our Republic would be safer under 4 terrible years of Hillary than with Rudy at the helm."---

I would be among those who would never vote Rudy, and would prefer to suffer Hillary and start over with a less untra-ultra-ultra-Liberal candidate in 2012.


10 posted on 02/13/2007 10:35:35 AM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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To: NormsRevenge
I don't agree with some of the analysis in this but some things to consider:

Will Rudy raise taxes? (We know what Hillary will do)

Will Rudy nominate constitutionalist or activist judges? (We know what Hillary will do)

Will Rudy stab our troops in the back or support them? (We have seen what Hillary has done here)

Will Rudy look to grow the economy? (See above)

Will Rudy embrace capitalism or socialism? (See Hillary care)

Vote your conscience in the primaries, stop the Beast in the general election
11 posted on 02/13/2007 10:36:25 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: NormsRevenge
My presidential vote just might stay at home (the Republic will survive!).

Yes, and we 'survived' the Great depression, and we 'survived' WWII and we will also 'survive' the Clinton II administration.

But there sure will be a lot of hell to pay in doing so.

Given the choice (vs. Hillary), Rudy has my vote.

12 posted on 02/13/2007 10:37:06 AM PST by Michael.SF. (It's time our lawmakers paid more attention to their responsibilities, and less to their privileges.)
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To: Beelzebubba
Honestly, our Republic would be safer under 4 terrible years of Hillary than with Rudy at the helm.

(Against my better instincts, I'll bite.)

Now why would that be??

13 posted on 02/13/2007 10:37:38 AM PST by Jhensy
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To: Beelzebubba

You are in denial if you think Beast would be the lesser of two evils.


14 posted on 02/13/2007 10:37:50 AM PST by misterrob (Jack Bauer/Chuck Norris 2008)
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To: NormsRevenge

Romney will win the presidency.


15 posted on 02/13/2007 10:38:20 AM PST by zarf ("I am what you call a "controversial figure". People either hate me or they despise me.")
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To: NormsRevenge
Giuliani has much dirty linen, but the media likes his kind of secret and will protect him (as it can) the way it protected Clinton. He will be a player to the end.

"The end" being right after the nomination, when the MSM "discovers" that history. Rudy will take the dive right on cue.

16 posted on 02/13/2007 10:38:56 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Making fascism fashionable in Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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Honestly, our Republic would be safer under 4 terrible years of Hillary than with Rudy at the helm.

Hillary will pull our troops out of Iraq the first chance she gets, and then spend four years ignoring terrorism. We may end up with gay marriage under Giuliani (just like we DEFINITELY would under Clinton), but he well most likely be just as strong or stronger than Bush on foreign policy.

17 posted on 02/13/2007 10:40:47 AM PST by presidio9 (There is something wonderful about a country that produces a brave and humble man like Wesley Autrey)
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To: NormsRevenge
"Probably".
He, and the rest, will do the right thing and fold like a high priced Mexican tortilla.
18 posted on 02/13/2007 10:40:54 AM PST by PRND21
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To: NormsRevenge

This is a highly persuasive article. There's a lot I like about Rudy Giuliani. I was working in New York for the past 35 years, and I witnessed first hand what he describes in the opening paragraphs. Giuliani did, indeed, turn the city around, and he did it in the face of a hostile press and massive vested interests.

I have been saying that if he pledged himself to a positive position on the life issues, I could support him. But I have my doubts, and this article reinforces those doubts.

I'm afraid he is right that there are only three realistic candidates in view, and likely that will be the position still a year from now. And McCain is simply not an acceptable candidate. That appears to leave Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani as the only plausible choices. Which of them is more trustworthy? Which of them can be counted on not to betray the base? It's a hard question. Giuliani is honest and open. But I would agree that he lacks the traditional religious background that Mitt Romney brings with him. I'd prefer a Catholic to a Mormon, but it would have to be a real Catholic, and it's not at all clear that Giuliani qualifies.

Divorce, for instance. It's not an insuperable barrier, but he's on his third wife and as far as I know is barred from receiving communion. I haven't heard anything about annulments.


19 posted on 02/13/2007 10:41:05 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Beelzebubba
What is its origin?Honestly, our Republic would be safer under 4 terrible years of Hillary than with Rudy at the helm.

You need to be in a third party. I think the Whigs have a branch office in Rome Georgia.

20 posted on 02/13/2007 10:41:18 AM PST by zarf ("I am what you call a "controversial figure". People either hate me or they despise me.")
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