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"A lot of people, I think, who run red lights, are people who have bad credit anyway," he said.

Brilliant.

1 posted on 02/13/2007 7:05:38 AM PST by laotzu
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I thought that you could not register your vehicle with outstanding tickets. Or is that only for us poor, dumb legals??


2 posted on 02/13/2007 7:07:53 AM PST by pikachu (Support Global Warming by buying future beach front property in Denver today!)
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I've always wondered how they could justify sending the ticket to the vehicle owner without verifying who the driver was.


3 posted on 02/13/2007 7:08:36 AM PST by Thermalseeker (Just the facts, ma'am)
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I can some serious abuse of power coming from this.


4 posted on 02/13/2007 7:08:46 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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Hmmmm... Florida is oft made fun of, but no red light cameras down here


6 posted on 02/13/2007 7:09:44 AM PST by dennisw (What one man can do another can do -- "The Edge")
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I can see some serious abuse of power coming from this.


7 posted on 02/13/2007 7:09:55 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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I don't have any red light camera tickets!

Shooting for the suitable breathless hysteria to match the silly headline...

8 posted on 02/13/2007 7:10:59 AM PST by JasonC
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Your mileage may vary, but I don't think there is any state in which ordinary first class mail is legal service or process, or notice of a summons.

Ignoring tickets delivered without taking your signature or by other process service should be a fair strategy. They make more money cranking out new tickets than following up on old ones.

If it were about public safety, they would persist even if not profitable. Since it's about fund raising, they focus only on the profitable angles.
9 posted on 02/13/2007 7:11:21 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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I'll run one if there's no other traffic around and I have good credit.


14 posted on 02/13/2007 7:13:42 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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>>>>If you get a ticket in the mail indicating you have run a red light and demanding you pay the fine, 1200 WOAI news reported today there is very little enforcement mechanism available. Basically, if you don't want to pay the $148 dollar fine, for example, which will be imposed on red light runners in the suburb of Balcones Heights, you don't have to, and there's nothing officials can do about it.<<<

I would like to add a story for consideration. Every few years, my lovely state of NJ runs a 'fund raiser'.

At random, people will be mailed PHANTOM parking tickets. Many of these PHANTOM tickets will be dated years back and usually are from towns you never been to.

If you don't pay these tickets, your license gets suspended. The fees for reinstating your license is usually more than the parking ticket.

Keep that in mind when ignoring these camera tickets. There may be some in Texas taking notes from NJ.


16 posted on 02/13/2007 7:14:11 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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Recently Michigan's AG, Mike Cox (his real name) ruled that police officers issue tickets and not cameras.

From what I understand, the machines are history in Michigan or at least won't be part of our future.

17 posted on 02/13/2007 7:14:34 AM PST by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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because the standard instrument that confirms a debt, a signed agreement by the debtor promising to pay the loan, doesn't exist.

That doesn't stop State Revenue agencies from filing tax liens against non-residents. I'm living proof.

18 posted on 02/13/2007 7:16:21 AM PST by CholeraJoe (The only Americans who need to know where Syria is are the navigators on the bombers.)
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What about tickets for running through those eztoll lanes without a valid electronic signaller on toll roads like the one in Houston?


19 posted on 02/13/2007 7:16:26 AM PST by wildbill
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Keep in mind, none of this applies to rickets for running red lights issued by a police officer.

Wow! Those cops can give you rickets? They must be using voodoo or something... I'll just stop for the red lights, thank you.

25 posted on 02/13/2007 7:23:50 AM PST by TChris (The Democrat Party: A sewer into which is emptied treason, inhumanity and barbarism - O. Morton)
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29 posted on 02/13/2007 7:27:07 AM PST by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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Following the advice in this article is probably a bad idea. Revenue generation is one of the few things at which government is very good. I am sure if there are any sort of legal loopholes to get out of paying these tickets, they will be closed in very short order.


31 posted on 02/13/2007 7:31:14 AM PST by pnh102
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I seem to recall a judge deciding that a municipality delegating ticket-writing authority to a third party had abdicated their right to enforce the ordinance.


33 posted on 02/13/2007 7:31:50 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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Most likely.

I'd guess a bunch of them would be refused health insurance if Blue-Cross, etc. knew they were into running red lights.

Then, there are the auto insurance folks ~ they should certainly be notified what these guys are up to.

The municipalities could probably sell their information to insurors for more than they can obtain in fines.

37 posted on 02/13/2007 7:34:39 AM PST by muawiyah
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"A lot of people, I think, who run red lights, are people who have bad credit anyway," he said.
Uh... does he mean like maybe ... Black people or Mexicans???

(I see a meeting with Jesse Jackass in this guys future. Or he'll go into 'Rehab' /s)

46 posted on 02/13/2007 7:49:26 AM PST by Condor51 (Where's Attila The Hun when you need him? [Go sit down Rudy])
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I wonder if this applies in ALL states. Is there any state where this is as criminal as if a police officer wrote a ticket?


50 posted on 02/13/2007 7:56:02 AM PST by RobRoy (Islam is a greater threat to the world today than Nazism was in 1938.)
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The way these cameras are set up, at least in the few municipalities that have them in my state, makes it clear that their sole purpose is revenue generation. Even if it were possible for a camera to somehow prevent running a red light, which of course it's not, the cameras don't even bother to differentiate between actually running a red light and causing a traffic hazard and "technical violations" that not only cannot be unsafe but wouldn't even be detectable by a human traffic enforcer.

I don't have the guts myself to vandalize the stupid things, but if I were on the jury at the trial of someone who did, I'd vote to acquit.


55 posted on 02/13/2007 8:00:48 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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