Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Hercules plane destroyed in Iraq (by RAF, prevented recovery)
BBC ^ | Tuesday, 13 February 2007

Posted on 02/13/2007 7:00:24 AM PST by avg_freeper

An RAF Hercules transport plane has been destroyed in southern Iraq after it was damaged in an "incident" on landing, the Ministry of Defence said.

Two people suffered minor injuries in Monday's incident, after which the C130 plane was destroyed because of the potential risk involved in recovery.

A military spokesman in Basra said there was no evidence of hostile action during the landing in Maysan province.

The plane, based at RAF Lyneham, had been on a routine re-supply journey.

It landed 20km north of Al-Amarah at about 2010 local time (1710GMT).

The two people injured were taken to hospital, but the spokesman would not confirm if they were military personnel.

'Potential risk'

The Hercules could not safely be recovered and was destroyed by coalition forces three hours later, said the Basra-based spokesman.

An investigation was underway, he added.

The MoD said the plane was "significantly damaged" during landing, which led to the site being secured and a "thorough assessment" being carried out.

"It was concluded that the aircraft could not be recovered without exposing our personnel to undue risk," said a spokesman.

He went on: "There was also a potential risk that anti-Iraqi forces might obtain information on specialist equipment.

"The aircraft was therefore safely destroyed by multinational forces."

The MoD stressed the aircraft had been making "a routine landing on a tactical landing zone" and the plane had not been shot down.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: c130; iraq; lockheed; raf
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-23 next last

1 posted on 02/13/2007 7:00:27 AM PST by avg_freeper
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: avg_freeper

Bummer ... fortunately, LockMart is still making them ...

Order up another one.


2 posted on 02/13/2007 7:02:02 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: avg_freeper

I'm sure the terrorists will come out with a horrible, grainy video of a guy with an Stinger launcher and a C-130 on a string claiming they shot this one down


3 posted on 02/13/2007 7:31:24 AM PST by verum ago (The Iranian Space Agency: set phasers to jihad!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ArrogantBustard
Bummer ... fortunately, LockMart is still making them ...

Not a bummer. We love replacement orders.

4 posted on 02/13/2007 7:32:34 AM PST by VRWCmember (Everyone is entitled to my opinion.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: avg_freeper
"There was also a potential risk that anti-Iraqi forces might obtain information on specialist equipment.

Doesn't pass the smell test. If they had time and safety to investigate, which the article says they did, they had time and safety to remove the equipment, and then send in a repair team, with sufficient force to protect the repair team and the aircraft. Hoping that the aircraft is still there and in one piece when they get back to it. Always a problem with anything left lying about in an Arab country.

Be a good chance to lure some Jihadies into a stand up fight and kill a bunch of 'em.

5 posted on 02/13/2007 7:42:16 AM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: El Gato

Why the skepticism? It's just an airplane.

Here's an AP story out of the Herald Tribune:

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/02/13/europe/EU-GEN-Britain-Iraq.php

LONDON: A British Hercules aircraft was damaged while landing in southeastern Iraq and was destroyed by coalition forces because of the risk of mounting a recovery operation, the Defense Ministry said Tuesday.

Two people suffered minor injuries in the incident Monday night, the ministry said.

There was no immediate indication of hostile action, the ministry said, but it had not been ruled out.

The C-130 had just touched down at an airstrip in Maysan province when it was damaged by an explosion, said a ministry spokesman, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with department policy.

"We don't know what caused it," he said.


Another C-130 in the area quickly landed at the same strip and rescued the crew, the spokesman said.

"The site was secured and, after a thorough assessment of the damage, it was concluded that the aircraft could not be recovered without exposing our personnel to undue risk," the spokesman said.

"There was also a potential risk that anti-Iraqi forces might obtain information on specialist equipment. The aircraft was therefore safely destroyed by multinational forces."


6 posted on 02/13/2007 8:00:10 AM PST by leadpenny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
Doesn't pass the smell test. If they had time and safety to investigate, which the article says they did, they had time and safety to remove the equipment, and then send in a repair team, with sufficient force to protect the repair team and the aircraft.

this totally passes the smell test. There are many reasons this aircraft could have been unrecoverable. Most likely it's frame was damage beyond safe field repair-ability. The only way to salvage it would have been to dismantle it and haul it out of there. Which was prohibitively risky. There is a big difference what it takes to keep 2 or 5 maintenance and engineering types safe for a couple hours and what it takes to keep several dozen workers and some heavy equipment safe getting it into the area, protecting it for several days or a week or two and then protection to haul everything out of the area.
7 posted on 02/13/2007 8:01:12 AM PST by TalonDJ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: TalonDJ

No heavy lift chopper ability to remove the Herky bird?


8 posted on 02/13/2007 8:48:17 AM PST by rahbert
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: leadpenny
Why the skepticism? It's just an airplane.

The Herc is a very robust airframe. That musta been a quite the hard 'landing'.

9 posted on 02/13/2007 8:51:41 AM PST by null and void (No one can fall farther than an astronaut...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: avg_freeper
Probably damaged beyond economic repair.


10 posted on 02/13/2007 8:58:36 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: null and void
I can't believe they were able to land one on an aircraft carrier. Talk about a hard landing, of course this happened in 1963 and it was a KC-130F.


11 posted on 02/13/2007 9:20:43 AM PST by rednesss
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: null and void

That's what I was thinking. It must have been an autorotation type landing. What I understand the wings will stay on even after they've flexed down and hit the ground.

I was working Dak To (huey driver) in November of 67 when a C-130 hit one of those big Cats (D-50, I believe) that was pushing dirt for a runway extension. One of the main gear assemblies squarely hit the top of the dozer blade. It moved the Cat about 50 feet and sadly the operator died on the way to Pleiku. There were landing gear parts strewn hundreds of feet beyond. The "Ever Ready" Herc kept on tickin' and stayed in the air and made a run on landing at Cam Rahn Bay AFB.

Three C-130s burned on the Dak To ramp around that time when the fuel and ammo dump was hit. The crews had to unass the running aircraft as burning material ignited their aircraft. Not much left when after they let 'em burn.


12 posted on 02/13/2007 9:47:25 AM PST by leadpenny
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: rahbert

A Herky weights several many more than the heaviest lifting chopper on earth can carry.


13 posted on 02/13/2007 10:30:07 AM PST by TalonDJ
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Liberty Valance

That is an old K model. The aircraft that was lost was a J.


14 posted on 02/16/2007 6:46:37 AM PST by Tommyjo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Liberty Valance

Also that very aircraft, XV206, was lost in Afghanistan in a landing accident on 24 May 2006.


15 posted on 02/16/2007 6:51:47 AM PST by Tommyjo
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: rednesss

Holy moly! Tell us the story.


16 posted on 02/16/2007 6:55:48 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: null and void
The Herc is a very robust airframe. That musta been a quite the hard 'landing'.

They do happen. Here's a link to pictures of a USAF MC-130 that was a total write-off after landing on a runway that was under repair ...

Totalled MC-130
17 posted on 02/16/2007 6:59:03 AM PST by tanknetter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: rednesss

I have seen a video of a Navy C-130 (assigned to support the Blue Angels) taking off with rocket assist. I swear that it looked like the thing was taking off at a 45 degree angle.


18 posted on 02/16/2007 7:04:26 AM PST by JCEccles
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Mr. Lucky
Holy moly! Tell us the story.

I don't want to preempt redness, but there's a good article - with videos - here:

KC-130 CarQuals
19 posted on 02/16/2007 7:04:34 AM PST by tanknetter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: tanknetter; rednesss

Very cool. Thanks.


20 posted on 02/16/2007 7:12:25 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-23 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson