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Quit While You're Ahead, Rudy
The Evening Bulletin ^ | 02/12/2007 | Joe Murray

Posted on 02/12/2007 5:24:32 PM PST by NapkinUser

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To: mariabush
Are you saying that a candidates personal beliefs and behavior does not matter, and should not be brought out?

Nowhere did I say that...forgive me if I was unclear and you felt I was implying it.

I have a problem with this "Rudy roomed with gay guys...he must be gay" or "Rudy dressed in women's clothing, yeah maybe he is gay" or "Rudy got divorced twice...he's a bad guy" stuff.

The whole "gay" thing isn't even on my radar so far as concerns go and I'm not privy to the machinations of his relationship with either ex wife, so I don't really wish to pass any judgements. At least he had the good sense to bail out instead of playing pretend like other politicans do to "stay viable".

I have a problem witht his second amendment stance. I'm not worried he's a gun grabber per se, but I thnk he would help the gun grabbers along in their efforts. I also think his lack of real executive experience is an issue.

I look for three things in a candidate. THe stance on the issues, the leadership qualities and their level of executive experience. Rudy has one of those three things (leadership) Hunter has one of those things (issues...doesn't strike me as a leader). Romeny has the executive experience...maybe the issues...maybe the leadership. McCain is a kook...stay in the Senate, Farmer John.

That's my own persona; quandry...none of these guys has all three of the things I'm looking for. I'll sacrifice some on ideological purity, perhaps a bit on executive experience. Not much room to give on leadership though.

So...I'd vote for Newt, I'd vote for Jeb Bush...I hate the idea of a dynasty, but Jeb has pretty much all of the things I'm looking for.
141 posted on 02/13/2007 7:09:44 AM PST by Skip Ripley
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To: Skip Ripley
Hang in there! It is really early, nd I have no clue as to whom I will support. My first choice got maccaced.(sp)
142 posted on 02/13/2007 7:19:28 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Because social conservatives know that the vast majority of folks care about economic and national security issues over social issues that a President has little impact on.

You think nominating Earl Warren had "little impact" on social issues?

Blowing your credibility early and often I see.

143 posted on 02/13/2007 7:46:00 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser: Making fascism fashionable in Kaleefornia, one charade at a time.)
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To: Skip Ripley
You don't get it...debate the ideas, not the individuals. Too many seem to say "Rudy isn't 100% conservative, so I'm going to dreg up whatever chunk of garbage, rumor or innuendo I can about his personal life to smear him"

WRONG! The individuals record including LIFETIME stands on issues and his personal conduct are both necessary considerations. Now the game the DEMs play is you ignore these items and vote for the party ideas no matter where the canidate stands on them. Rudy isn't even 25% conservative nor is his life long stands such. He changed is mind ONLY when he decided he might run for POTUS and that is called DECIET. That type of questionable behavior does now win my vote.

144 posted on 02/13/2007 9:55:56 AM PST by cva66snipe (Rudy, the Liberal Media's first choice for the GOP nomination. Not on my vote not even in Nov 2008..)
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To: Knitebane
I agree except for 200 & 2004. Actually Bush is a moderate and if people had actually read the text of a lot of his speeches he wasn't that conservative. As a result Al Gore darn near beat Bush because Gore ran very close to his platform even Bush said himself they were not that far apart. Had Gore not been tied to Clinton scandals Bush would have lost by a pretty wide margin because he ran as DEM Lite.

In 2004 He still ran moderate but Kerry was a solid left winger and did not stray from that. Even at that Bush had a close race. He was loosing part of the GOP Conservative base by then. Had it been Lieberman or anyone else who would run center? Bush may well have lost it with a wide margin. 2004 wasn't a vote of confidence in Bush but more of a rejection of Kerry. Bush is too much like his dad {remember his cabinet is a majority of Poppy's people as well} and Jerry Ford especially on socila issues with Ford.

145 posted on 02/13/2007 10:12:21 AM PST by cva66snipe (Rudy, the Liberal Media's first choice for the GOP nomination. Not on my vote not even in Nov 2008..)
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To: mariabush

I agree that Roe v Wade is a bad law and should go back to the states. However, I don't know one state in the US that would make abortion illegal. Do you? Even here in Texas, if it came to a vote almost ALL D's would and at least 1/2 R's would vote to keep some form of abortion legal, for the reason that we don't want to have another underground baby killing market as we did before abortions became legal.

Regarding Giuliani I must agree that his personal life is not the ideal role model. However, we live in a period of time when the basic foundation of our country and the world is at stake. I know of no one else that has the hootspa(sp) to ACT. We need someone that's not so soft on our enemy. Thanks for your input.


146 posted on 02/13/2007 10:44:20 AM PST by Gracey (Rudy/Rice..... 2008 vs Hitlary/Osama Obama)
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To: Blackirish
They are lashing out in frustration and rage.

Kinda like a woman being raped. The Rudy partisans would prefer we just lie back and enjoy the experience.

147 posted on 02/13/2007 11:13:05 AM PST by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: La Enchiladita

Have you noticed that many of the Bushbots are now the Rudybots...


148 posted on 02/13/2007 11:17:59 AM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and All who protect and preserve this Great Nation.)
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To: panthermom

"If you took Duncan Hunter's views and we changed him from a congressman to a Governor, people would be doing cartwheels over him. I don't understand it. Don't we pick our candidates on their platform? I cannot understand discounting him as a viable candidate because he's a congressman. I believe he has great leadership qualities."

But yet they'll support a hard liberal mayor, and when has a mayor become POTUS?


149 posted on 02/13/2007 11:23:18 AM PST by Sun (Let your New Year's resolution be to vote for conservatives in the primaries! Happy 2007!)
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To: calcowgirl
I don't think is was today. I'm recovering from the ravages of a cold virus after my break-neck round trip to Lost Wages, NV and can't remember were your ping was. Heck, it could even have been a FReepmail. In fact, Now that I think of it... I think I remember commenting back to you via FReepmail... Oh well, I'm beyond caring at this moment cause I'm coughing and need to go blow my nose... you know how it goes.

I AM however, listening to Rush who is also bugged by those who want to support these non-conservative "Republicans" and is dismayed at how hard they are trying to remake conservatism in their own image!!!

Sounds just like FR from the CA Recall Election, till now!!! Some of it is downright insulting to a conservative's intelligence, to say nothing of the constant annoyance when some think that repetition and redundancy will make their claims more credible... Phooey!!!

150 posted on 02/13/2007 11:25:19 AM PST by SierraWasp (Get the Recall petition papers ready for signing up to Recall Arnold in the Feb. 2008 Primary!!!)
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To: Skip Ripley

"Too many seem to say "Rudy isn't 100% conservative,.."

Rudy isn't even 50% conservative, and all we are doing is showing how liberal he is - pro-"choice", pro-special rights for gays, pro-ILLEGAL immigration, pro-gun CONTROL, etc.

Do not fear truth. :)


151 posted on 02/13/2007 11:27:05 AM PST by Sun (Let your New Year's resolution be to vote for conservatives in the primaries! Happy 2007!)
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To: mysterio

C.r.a.f.t. has gotten to me. I cant remember either. Just damn


152 posted on 02/13/2007 12:28:40 PM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Defeat liberalism, its the right thing to do for America.)
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To: Lurker

> Somehow I doubt that. The unofficial moniker of the GOP is "The Stupid Party".

Stupid enough to have had a pretty good run at putting a POTUS into the White House over the past several decades -- with brief interruptions during the Carter and Clinton administrations.

That's the sort of "stupidity" that the Democrats would *love* to have!


153 posted on 02/13/2007 1:05:33 PM PST by DieHard the Hunter
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To: Sun

I think Rudy's closer to 70% conservative...maybe 75%...If we call it 72.5% can I get you to buy this car tonight?


154 posted on 02/13/2007 1:11:59 PM PST by Skip Ripley
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To: SeaBiscuit

Yep.

*wink*


155 posted on 02/13/2007 1:55:26 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Hunter/Poe 2008 "Once again, our government is on the wrong side of the border war")
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To: dirtboy

As I'm sure has already been pointed out, if the MSM seems to be all googly-eyed over Rudy as the (R) candidate it is not because he's a candidate they can or would ever get behind , but because they have found a new excitement and purpose at being able to function as the "impartial" clearinghouse for all the pictures of Rudy in drag, all the nasty regurgitating of the marriage and divorce scandals, and any number of other things that they could "look up" on their own or that Team Clinton could provide them with. Their "support" of him "going in" will be predicated on his being the best candidate TO LOSE to Hillary or whomever, while also being the easiest candidate for them to support, considering how "readymade" he is and how little work they'd have to do to acquaint people with him.


156 posted on 02/13/2007 2:07:53 PM PST by supremedoctrine ("Talent hits a target no one else can hit, genius hits a target no one else can see"--Schopenhauer)
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To: Skip Ripley

"If we call it 72.5% can I get you to buy this car tonight?"

lol, and no thanks on the car. :)

Abortion, gays, ILLEGAL immigration, antifreedom, anti2nd amendment - the math just ain't working out.

Weak on borders = weak on terrorism, so that doesn't leave much in the way of conservatism.


157 posted on 02/13/2007 5:54:08 PM PST by Sun (Let your New Year's resolution be to vote for conservatives in the primaries! Happy 2007!)
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To: NapkinUser

Incredibly stupid article.


Quit while you're ahead.


Tell that to any football coach.


158 posted on 02/13/2007 5:58:00 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: cva66snipe
I agree except for 200 & 2004.

Yes, W is really more of a moderate. But my premise still stands. Conservatives win. Moderates Pubbies generally lose, and when they do win, it's a squeaker. Bush won because he talked like a conservative and a lot of us bought it.

Hillary! has been positioning herself as a moderate Dim. Around here we know better but the soccer moms will buy it. If Rudy runs against Hillary, Hillary will win.

Let's run a real conservative and stop screwing around with courting the Rockefeller wing.

159 posted on 02/14/2007 4:11:18 AM PST by Knitebane (Happily Microsoft free since 1999.)
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To: Knitebane

One other thing must be understood about Hillary. If in a venue say of young Republicans she can talk as Conservative as anyone in the GOP. I remember about 6-12 months ago reading a thread where she spoke at a conservative college. Everybody was busy flaming her but nobody read the speech. If they did they could understand just how quick she can run to the right of most GOP moderates like Bill did and win. I know she's liberal but she can also be whatever her setting at that time calls for.


160 posted on 02/14/2007 9:59:26 AM PST by cva66snipe (Rudy, the Liberal Media's first choice for the GOP nomination. Not on my vote not even in Nov 2008..)
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