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Giuliani's Social Views Not Well Known
The Gallup Poll ^ | February 7, 2007

Posted on 02/11/2007 2:52:28 PM PST by don-o

PRINCETON, NJ -- As former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani inches closer to a formal declaration of his candidacy for the 2008 Republican nomination for president, the challenge he faces among Republicans with his support of abortion rights and same-sex civil unions is clear in a recent USA Today/Gallup Poll.

Giuliani is extraordinarily well-liked and respected by the American public. He also ties with or leads Arizona Sen. John McCain as the frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination in recent Gallup polls. At the same time, his views on abortion and same-sex civil unions are unknown to most rank and file Republicans. Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.

(Excerpt) Read more at galluppoll.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2008; california; electionpresident; elections; giuliani; giuliani2008; gop; medialies; republicans
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To: Kate of Spice Island
Frankly, I don't see much protection of the weak and defenseless that are already walking and breathing and here to be mocked.

It still beats being murdered before you were born.

81 posted on 02/11/2007 4:44:54 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: mariabush
And FDR said, "I hate war. Eleanor hates war."

So?

82 posted on 02/11/2007 4:45:52 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Kate of Spice Island

I have no idea what you're talking about. We were discussing abortion and your nonsensical views towards it.


83 posted on 02/11/2007 4:48:11 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: don-o
I noticed the absence in the poll of metrics on the effects of Rudy's stand on gun control. I'm sure this would also have decreased his positives. I am increasingly sensing that Rudy's popularity amongst some Pubs is actually the result of his stances on abortion and self-defense. If this proves to be a significant theme, we may well be headed for a crackup. For my part, I will continue to support the most Conservative candidates until the Primaries are decided, then take another look at the situation. Interesting times...
84 posted on 02/11/2007 4:49:30 PM PST by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: freedomfiter2
There was no choice for his mother and in the end, he became the poster child for why psychological abuse should be criminalized in Arizona. His mother is just as guilty.

If given the choice, she would have had an abortion. Either way, her behavior is pretty much the fast track to hell. It is a shame that both my daughter's dad and his mom can't see what their self-righteous and indignant behaviors are costing others.

Besides, it is probably the same vile men that pressure to have sex in the first place and then assess blame and pressure for abortion.

If morality were taught before procreation, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

85 posted on 02/11/2007 4:51:48 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: don-o
Didn't mean to...

I simply stated my opinion on two of MANY issues.

86 posted on 02/11/2007 4:53:07 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Kate of Spice Island

Adoption has always been a choice. I know that there may be some stigma attached but do we want to live in a world where there's no stigma toward abortion and fornication?


87 posted on 02/11/2007 4:55:24 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Hunter '08)
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To: Sloth
If there were beter moral fiber woven into the children of this country, we wouldn't need a debate on abortion.

I was too young to be a peace, love, dope hippie/liberal of the 60s that spawned the entire debate.

I'd also blame it on their liberal parents, but what's teh point, most are dead.

88 posted on 02/11/2007 4:55:40 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: NittanyLion
It still beats being murdered before you were born.

This can be prevented if most parents will pull their heads out and teach to not have sex before you are married, but I don't see anyone screeching about that.

89 posted on 02/11/2007 4:57:53 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
I think Jesus is just as concerned about all of the abused kids in the world as He is towards those who get their bodies violently dismembered in a very brutal and painful way. You can't cherry pick the issues, nor can you be the decider of what can and cannot be judged, the Word of God does that. Jesus said, "You will know them by their fruits". Isn't that a form of judgment? Not all judgment is wrong, especially when it is used for the purpose of reconciling someone back to Christ.
90 posted on 02/11/2007 4:58:04 PM PST by dmw (Aren't you glad you use common sense, don't you wish everybody did?)
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To: EternalVigilance
Apparently, my view to teach youth to keep their pants on and their skirts down would prevent the need to have a view on abortion one way or another seems to get past you.

You are debating the "effect" without looking at the cause.

91 posted on 02/11/2007 5:00:12 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: freedomfiter2
I firmly agree that adoption is a much better choice and there is a long way to go before we can get to where that is the choice in pro choice. Keep baby or adopt out and skip the roto rooter man. Unfortunately, there are too many foolish women using Mr. Plumber as a form of birth control.

We would really get more mileage out of seeing couples that want to adopt than hearing the debate over abortion.

92 posted on 02/11/2007 5:04:15 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Kate of Spice Island

We weren't talking about the cause. We were talking about your leftwing position vis a vis abortion.


93 posted on 02/11/2007 5:04:21 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: TitansAFC
43% Of Republicans, when informed of his views, are unlikely to support him or just rule out his candidacy entirely.

That is a lie, but I'd expect that from you. The actual info in the article:

'Less likely' is far different from 'unlikely', especially when only 4 options are given regarding their responses. Not all voters are single-issue ones, and Giuliani blows McCain away in the polls regarding leadership, who is the strongest leader, and who is most likely to beat the Dem in the general election (55% to 38%, the closest of those categories.)

94 posted on 02/11/2007 5:04:24 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy Giuliani-Joe Dyton in '08!)
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To: Kate of Spice Island
This can be prevented if most parents will pull their heads out and teach to not have sex before you are married, but I don't see anyone screeching about that.

With all due respect, the subject we were discussing is your refusal to make abortion illegal. Abstinence education, while important, is a needless attempt to shift the focus away from your original claim. You still haven't answered my question: why is it within government's purview to outlaw murder but not abortion?

95 posted on 02/11/2007 5:04:47 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Kate of Spice Island
but I don't see anyone screeching about that.

The only one I see "screeching" here is you.

96 posted on 02/11/2007 5:05:25 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: don-o
Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.

Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.

Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.

Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.

Once informed of Giuliani's positions, a sizable minority of Republicans say they would reconsider their support for the otherwise popular and well-respected Republican luminary.

One cannot repeat this enough. The Dems certainly will if Rudy is nominated.

97 posted on 02/11/2007 5:09:16 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dmw
I, personally, cannot reconcile EVERYONE back to Christ. For my personal sanity, I deal with what I can on a day to day basis and choose to not get my intestines in a knot over all of the ones I cannot change.

What I do know is that abortion is not the ONLY issue when choosing a candidate. OTOH, I also think that we need to clean up our act here if we are to set an example for other countries. By focusing on better ways of solving the problems, the end result comes faster. If there were more advocacy for adoption instead of whether or not an abortion is legal, maybe women would be more inclined to follow Christ's way instead of focusing on themselves.

98 posted on 02/11/2007 5:09:19 PM PST by Kate of Spice Island (WWJP - What Would Jesus Post???)
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To: Sarah
but the reality is he lowered abortions by making options available.

During Rudy's tenure, abortions declined at roughly half the national percentage decline.

99 posted on 02/11/2007 5:10:06 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Peach
Indeed, in one recent poll, majorities of Republicans who were informed of Giuliani’s views on social issues said that they were either minor issues or no issues at all; only 16% said that they wouldn't vote for him after being informed of these views.

Think the GOP can win in 2008 by forsaking 16 percent of the base?

100 posted on 02/11/2007 5:11:24 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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