Giuliani: Gun control helped lower crime

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[Sub-Driver]

Giuliani: Gun control helped lower crime

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Rudy Giuliani addressed a potentially troublesome issue with conservative voters, saying his policies as mayor to get handguns off the street helped reduce crime in New York.

"I used gun control as mayor," he said at a news conference Saturday during a swing through California. But "I understand the Second Amendment. I understand the right to bear arms."

He said what he did as mayor would have no effect on hunting.

Addressing another potential trouble spot with conservatives, Giuliani spoke in favor of a border fence, saying, "You have to have secure borders, you have to have a fence, and the fence I think has to be a highly technological one."

The nation needs to know, he said, who is coming into the country and why. But he provided scant details on how he would deal with illegal immigrants already in the country. Citizens, he added, should be able to read and write English.

Giuliani was to make an address Monday in Silicon Valley and he was to appear Tuesday at an agricultural fair in the Central Valley.

Asked when he would make a formal announcement that he is a candidate for the Republican nomination, Giuliani said: "Well, formally announce? I don't know."

[spunkets]

"they were "illegal guns" - yes, because they couldn't get permits for them. but allow an easy permit process in a place like NYC, and they would."

No. Like I said, 21, clean record. Bangers aren't 21 with a clean record.

"we'll revoke that permit after they conduct their first killing or robbery "

LOL! Look at the stats from the concealed carry States, and the stats from NY itself, before Giuliani took away the licenses and the guns from the law abiding in NY. Criminals don't use legal guns, nor do they get permits to carry them to commit felonies.

Again, Giuliani rendered NYers defenseless, and at the mercy of the thugs.

[jmc813]

So you're saying that you don't believe in a literal interpretation of the 2nd Amendment?

[DieHard the Hunter]

Here's a thought...

Is it possible the Giuliani and McCain are merely stalking horses for the Republicans, against which HillBilly and Obama can score easy points, thus causing the Democrats to peak too early and lose on election day?

If so, it seems to be working and, in the fullness of time, a real Republican will make his/her candidacy known.

If not, I think it is an excellent and obvious strategy that should be tried...

[ellery]

I disagree -- Rudy has said repeatedly, in one way or another, that he believes that fewer guns = fewer crimes. As far as I know, he has never said that he believes this only applies to NYC. I must conclude, therefore, that he believes that fewer guns = fewer crimes is true universally (if he didn't believe that, he would have said so, as he is an excellent communicator).

Rudy tends to be tireless and very effective in putting his beliefs into action. Therefore, I do not believe that we would have merely status quo with Rudy as president and a donk congress.

It's a shame, too, because I do like Rudy.

[servantboy777]

As far as gay civil unions, so far it has been left to the states...this is true, but not for long. It has been passed in a couple, challenged in many.

The gay mafia will not stop there. They will relentlessly lobby a pro-gay White house. As you know, any law passed by the Feds, protecting the "civil rights" of gays to marry would supersede any state statute under the federal civil rights act.

"the republican House was the only body standing in the way of amnesty"

Your correct, but what did it get them? It was too little to late. They sat on their duff for years until they saw the republicans were in trouble leading up to the election.

The republicans are no longer in power in the house. The house, the white house and the senate squandered several years of leadership.

As far as the republican senate......they attempted to pass an awful immigration reform bill along with hidden verb-age that took a team of lawyers to decipher.

As far a supreme court picks, the republicans caved big time on real conservative judicial nominations for the more PC nominees under the same thinking your referring.

The prescrip Rx program was not logical at all, it was an attempt to re-garner public support for the president and republicans at a time when their popularity was tanking. It was politics.

The taxpayer gets soaked once again.

The border fence, was all politics to garner support for republicans during an election year. Do you see the monies being appropriated to build the fence? No! All politics.

I'm just tired of the same ol politics and promises.

Say one thing to get elected, then totally ignore your constituency afterward......unless you can raise campaign cash, of coarse.

If it comes down to a Hillary and Guiliani race....I guess I'm just gonna sit this one out.

Their ideologies are not that far apart.

[slylentlybold]

Duncan is the real choice this time around. Gun control insults the wisdom of the Founding Fathers who wrote the Second Amendment.

This guy might fly in the rotten apple, but he is unacceptable poison if he makes the GOP presidential nomination.

[MtnClimber]

Rudy is the same person as Schumer. Same basic views, same lies for public consumption. Ever seen them together?

[oceanview]

I'm with the NRA. I don't see them rushing into federal courts to test the applicability of the 2A as it applies to the states. they are content with the structure we seem to have now - states making choices (notably on CCW) through their elected bodies, with only the most draconian "all guns are illegal" state laws which would be worthy of taking into federal court.

I'm not fully up to speed on the history of this - was the Brady Bill ever challenged in federal court?

[oceanview]

he'll have to answer that question directly with regards to proposing new federal gun restriction legislation.

even the Dems won't touch that issue.

[ellery]

The donks won't touch it (yet), but that doesn't mean an anti-gun Republican wouldn't. There's always risk of a triangulating, "it takes a Nixon to go to China" effect. For example, it took the 'toon, of all people, to ramp up the federal prosecution of marijuana users ("look, I'm a tough-on-drugs democrat!"). Rudy is no weaselly 'toon, of course, but I could easily see him pursuing a policy that he sincerely believes, and scoring political points across the aisle while doing it.

[freedomfiter2]

There's always risk of a triangulating, "it takes a Nixon to go to China" effect. For example, it took the 'toon, of all people, to ramp up the federal prosecution of marijuana users ("look, I'm a tough-on-drugs democrat!"). Rudy is no weaselly 'toon, of course, but I could easily see him pursuing a policy that he sincerely believes, and scoring political points across the aisle while doing it.


Exactly. That's why Rudy is more dangerous to our nation than Hillary even though she's slightly to his left.

[jmc813]

I'm with the NRA.

The NRA is not going to endorse Rudy.

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

Numerous pundits claim that Newt was unelectable due to his past,but none said anything about rudolph and he has twice the baggage.Just rinos trying to dictate to us conservatives.I say SCREW THEM!

[TheBattman]

The 2nd Amendment is not about "hunting". Rudy - you are so out of touch -

[HANG THE EXPENSE]

I hope you are right.Go Hunter.

[hellinahandcart]

How many nurses and waitresses have carry permits?

[TheBattman]

What sort of gun regulation is consistent with the Second Amendment?

Does his use of gun regulation consistent with the Second Amendment?

[hellinahandcart]

when he proposes federal gun control restrictions like NYC has - for everyone - then we'll talk.

He already did that back in '97 or '98, after the shootings atop the Empire State Building. Which was classic pre-911 thinking, btw. The problem was not an armed Palestinian Muslim looking for Jews to shoot before martyring himself, oh no. The problem was that it was easier to buy a gun in the state of Florida than in the city of New York.

Are you seriously telling me that I have to wait until he proposes as president what he seriously and enthusiastically promoted ten years ago---uniform national gun control in all fifty states---before I get concerned?

[TheBattman]

All one has to do is look at Rudy's history to see where he stands - Mayor of the city with some of the most restrictive anti-gun laws in the country - and many led by or endorsed by Rudy himself.

[TheBattman]

Actually - it isn't the "gun control" that lowered crime in NYC - it was the more serious enforcement - going into neighborhoods that police had shunned before, actually arresting people instead of letting them slide, agressive prosecution, and yes, even some "profiling" based simply on appearance.