Simple question about WMDs

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I can't for the life of me understand the fact that our leaders do not bring up the 500 mustard and sarin filled shells that have been found since entering Iraq.

Our guys just seem to fold. We have legitimate proof, but everyone caves on this... Why?

Even if you accept that they were no longer powerful enough to cause damage (which I don't), we have found WMDS.. period.

[xmission]

Do you all think that this 500 shell find is not arguable somehow? I hear conservative talk show hosts fold one after the other when the no WMDs card is brought forth. I'm stupefied...

[woofie]

Its good for cleaning blood off of cars

[jude24]

Which ones are the mortar equipment? I confess, I wouldn't know a mortar if it bit me in the butt.

I know DMSO is a solvent frequently used in organic reactions, and chlorine ions are quite useful for organosynthesis. Anything more detailed than that would require me to pull out my old o-chem notes.

[dynoman]

Ever hear about the 20,000 Iraqi WMD technicians and specialists in Libya before IOF??

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536665/posts

more here posts 80 - 85

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1323498/posts?page=85#80

[xmission]

One funny story (kind of).

A guy was arguing with me on another forum, and he mentioned the "Bush Lied" crap. I asked what he lied about, and of course he said there were no WMDs. I gave him a link right to the report itself.

He looked at it real quick, pretty much said that it was a fake, because if it was true it would be all over fox news.

I told him that if he had bothered to look at the url at the top of the page he'd have seem that he was looking at it on fox's site...

I think he started name calling right after that.

[JohnBovenmyer]

Bring some to the media and dare them to touch our perfectly safe finds.

[savedbygrace]

I suspect it might have a little to do with the weapons we gave Iraq when we were backing them against Iran. One question leads to another, and another . . .

Can't put toothpaste back in the tube, y'know?

But I might be wrong.

[dynoman]

Re why the WMD sotry isn't being told - from that first article;

"The current refusal to acknowledge the regional linkages which tie the Saddam Administration in closely with the actions of Iran, Syria, Libya, Egypt and the Palestinian and other subsidiary subnational or transnational groups (including al-Qaida) is, to a large extent, governed in the US by the fact that there is strong pressure, not least from the US State Dept. and Secretary of State Colin Powell, not to “widen the war” in the face of international and domestic pressures. However, this position significantly hurts the incumbent US Bush Administration, which took a major political gamble by taking the war to Iraq based on an “intuitive” understanding of the threat which Saddam Hussein posed to regional and Western interests.

For many career intelligence and diplomatic officials, acknowledgement of the Iraq-Libya-Egypt-Iran-DPRK linkages (but particularly Iraq-Libya), at this stage, would be embarrassing. These officials have chosen the approach that, if all goes well, the Libya “problem” will now go away, albeit leaving a considerable gap in the public knowledge which could be politically beneficial to the re-election of US Pres. George W. Bush."

And this;

"It is critical to bear in mind that for the preceding decade and more, Qadhafi had consistently denied that he was engaged in WMD programs, denying also any links with Islamist terrorists or terrorists of any kind. This lie was accepted by the international policy community, and yet when Qadhafi admitted what GIS had long said was the case — that such Libyan WMD programs did, in fact, exist8 — he was greeted as a reformer by the UK Government of Prime Minister Tony Blair, and also by some US politicians. Equally significant is the fact that Qadhafi had ensured that, through the Lockerbie settlement, significant funds (up to $900-million) were to go to Washington and New York law firms, providing a pressure point on Washington policymakers of almost unprecedented levels. For many politicians, there was more to be gained by carefully assisting Qadhafi than in exposing him."

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Thanks.

I'll add the information to my list.

I have spent quite a bit of time finding all kinds of information, and I've compiled it all. I want to upload it here on my homepage, but I guess it's too big to upload for some reason. I asked JR if there was a limit to size, and he said no, but regardless I can't upload it yet.

[Eagle Eye]

I'f I'd known then what I know now, I'd taken more and better pictures of the stuff in the bunker. As it is, sorry to say, you'll have to trust me. Or you don't have to. I filed my report on this and was just told to stay away from it.

Just as sad is that I lost my photos of the Iraqi chemical (NBC) training lab classroom at Habaniyah. Based on the books and posters on the walls, they were training for offensive deployment of bio-chem weapons.

So, all we have is some pictures that may or may not be what I say they are and unsubstantiated claims of other stuff.

But assuming that what I'm saying is correct, why would DMS be in a concrete weapons bunker on an Iraqi air base?

[xmission]

Wow, you took the pics? Were you serving in the military?
If so THANKS for your service! (Thanks for the pics either way).

[Eagle Eye]

Civilian, not military then.

The Army wanted some advice about what they'd found in the bunker, a couple colleagues and I investigated and made our reports.

And I've waited a long time to post these pics even though they've been posted on my annonymous behalf a couple of times before.

[Doe Eyes]

I noticed the green boxes are labeled, in English, "Ministry of Defence, A.S. Directorate".

What is in them?

Could this be the United Kingdom Ministry of Defence, Air Staff Directorate? Are the Brits suppling WMD to Iraq?

[jude24]

DMSO is a commonly used solvent. It's presence is not that disconcerting - it's used to when a polar solvent is needed to accelerate phenol and indol reactions. It's also a good, safe paint stripper. I used it a lot for NMR solvents because it is inert for nuclear magnetic resonance, but that's not likely why it's in a bunker.

Based on the books and posters on the walls, they were training for offensive deployment of bio-chem weapons

How long ago? Was the context the Iran-Iraq war (when it was indisputable they ***did*** have them)? Or was it, rather, for deployment in a more current context?

[r-q-tek86]

WMD Ping

[Eagle Eye]

I'm not in a position to speculate about origins like that.

Oxford English is widely spoken in the mideast.

The Iraqis have very little industry to call their own. Most everything there of any consequence was built by Europeans.

[xmission]

Thanks very much for posting these. I'd love to know af anything else you might be able to point out regarding these pics, or other information you might have about WMDS in Iraq.

[JennysCool]

Saddam WAS the WMD.

Also, there may be legitimate intelligence reasons for keeping WMD discoveries under wraps. That's the tough part. The Administration may be unable to counter the screeching libs for reasons we don't know, but may someday understand.

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Also, there may be legitimate intelligence reasons for keeping WMD discoveries under wraps. That's the tough part. The Administration may be unable to counter the screeching libs for reasons we don't know, but may someday understand.

I understand. There is information out there though (like the declassified report of these shells) that is already in the public domain, that should not be ignored, and should be shouted from the rooftops by conservative talk show hosts at the very least, and by some of our public servants (like Tancredo attempted).

[dynoman]

Here is another good one, make sure and take the time to read them;

The War Against Saddam: a Justifiable Act?