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These ads have plastered the local paper, yet I've heard virtually nothing about these proposed plants.

Is there no end to the sleight of hand being played in Texas?

1 posted on 02/11/2007 7:53:43 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: Froufrou

Great .... Play them in China, that's where all the action is... Oh, I forgot , you'll get shot. Never mind.


2 posted on 02/11/2007 7:55:25 AM PST by fedupjohn (If we try to fight the war on terror with eyes shut + ears packed with wax, innocent people will die)
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To: Froufrou

I agree, no more coal plants, build nuclear. I you really want to reduce CO2, nuclear is the only way. If you have an agenda, then my guess is they will protest everything, just because.


3 posted on 02/11/2007 7:56:08 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: Froufrou

Are they going after Bejing also?

China is responsible for the huge growth in greenhouse gasses, mostly from coal fired plants.


4 posted on 02/11/2007 7:57:34 AM PST by Paloma_55 (I may be a hateful bigot, but I still love you)
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5 posted on 02/11/2007 8:01:02 AM PST by Froufrou
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More words of wisdon from the pro oil import environmentalist movement. /sarcasm


7 posted on 02/11/2007 8:03:39 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Froufrou
TXU needs a bottomless pit of cash to counteract ALL THE FREE PUBLICITY THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA gives the environmental koo-koos' leftist, socialists ranting and ravings.

Remember, conservative/Christians, the socialists didn't perish after 9/11--they just had to shut up for a few years to regroup!

10 posted on 02/11/2007 8:08:48 AM PST by 100-Fold_Return (Thinketh Like A BILLIONAIRE)
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To: Froufrou

Simple, build 15 new nuclear plants instead.


12 posted on 02/11/2007 8:10:19 AM PST by listenhillary (You can lead a man to reason, but you can't make him think)
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To: Froufrou

We've got plenty of coal here in the US so let's not use that. Instead let's continue to buy oil from people in the middle east who hate and would love to kill us all !!!


13 posted on 02/11/2007 8:11:50 AM PST by Obie Wan
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20 posted on 02/11/2007 8:22:13 AM PST by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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They should ...in China!

That's where the real polluters are!


24 posted on 02/11/2007 8:42:55 AM PST by airborne (Elect an Airborne Ranger,Vietnam Veteran for President ! Duncan Hunter 2008!!)
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To: Froufrou
I've heard virtually nothing about these proposed plants

Power plants are usually of little news interest.

30 posted on 02/11/2007 8:58:09 AM PST by RightWhale (300 miles north of Big Wild Life)
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To: Froufrou
Liberals want to shut down civilization and make us go back to wearing bearskins. Its not funny.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

31 posted on 02/11/2007 8:58:17 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Froufrou
The fact is, Texas has a pressing problem," Kleckner said. "We need reliable, affordable and cleaner power, and we will need it very soon. TXU has a balanced plan that provides needed power, $1.7 billion in lower wholesale prices and state-of-the-art power plants (that are ) 80 percent cleaner than the average U.S. coal plant."

Not to mention taxes, jobs, supplies etc. The Environmentalists need to stop, research and study such plants before they scream the sky is falling....also look at their pension plans to see how this could and perhaps is benefiting them.

32 posted on 02/11/2007 9:02:59 AM PST by yoe ("Take No Prisoners" has a lovely ring to it...............)
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To: Froufrou; All
Unfortunately, there are certain sets of problems that go along with whatever energy technology is currently in use, be that oil, coal and even nuclear. The "emerging technologies" have problems too, but mainly from a lack of R&D, investment and opposition from the status quo. Patents have been bought and warehoused lest they disrupt the "money flow". There are huge amounts of money to be made from energy, (obviously), so, imho, the fight is on to see how it will all shake out. Monopolies typically do not inspire nor encourage innovation.

Anyone who's interested in this topic may want to look up "Stanford Ovshinsky". He's an inventor, with quite an interesting history. Also, see the movie "Who Killed the Electric Car".
35 posted on 02/11/2007 9:11:27 AM PST by khnyny
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38 posted on 02/11/2007 10:02:48 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Duncan Hunter: Hope of America)
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To: Froufrou

Related article:

"Baptist group fights Texas coal plants"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1782799/posts


(We have coal plants here in NH. They use Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR) systems to reduce nitrogen-oxide (NOx) emissions.)


50 posted on 02/11/2007 11:51:45 AM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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Did you see the articles that those adds are funded by the NATURAL GAS COMPANIES?
51 posted on 02/11/2007 12:05:00 PM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Austin TX. is the home of STUPID people.)
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To: Froufrou
These ads have plastered the local paper, yet I've heard virtually nothing about these proposed plants. Is there no end to the sleight of hand being played in Texas?

With all due respect, individual ignorance on a topic is not indicative of a gov't conspiracy.

A Google News search of "Texas" "TXU" "coal" and "plants" produces 585 articles in just the past month. These plants and the approval process have been in the news for more than a year. A Google search of those 4 terms produces 170,000 results. Narrow it down by adding the terms "Perry" still produces 40,000 results.

I dunno, maybe some simple research might be wise before slandering with charges of "conspiracy, coverup, corruption?"

I'm not a fan of TXU, and believe that they should be investigated for price fixing, but these plants are needed and are a good thing. They will produce 50% more needed energy (Texas is growing by more than 500,000 a year, a new Austin and San Antonio area every 7 years) while producing 20% LESS total harmful emmissions because the new plants will be cleaner, older plants will be shut down or have cleaner technology installed, and a switch to cleaner Wyoming coal (Powder River Basin) instead of Texas lignite. (Plenty of keywords there to do more research with.) And TXU isn't the only company proposing new coal plants in Texas.

The enviro/media-activists are saying that these coal plants should use the cleaner coal gasification technology, but what they don't mention is that what they propose is so new that there isn't yet an operating plant. In fact Texas has done a good job in competing for fed funds for the demonstration gasification project and is one of the favorites to win the project. Another is being proposed for Corpus Christi, but hasn't been built. You see, what these groups are doing is opposing whatever is being considered and throwing out a nice sounding but not yet obtainable alternative to mute criticism that all they do is oppose. Just like the Dems do with foreign policy to fight the label that they are weak on defense, they criticize Iraq and say that the real problem is Iran. But when we propose dealing with Iran, they say, no you can't do that, N. Korea is the real threat. Or when we propose something on N. Korea it is called the wrong approach, everyone knows that Iran is more of a concern.

Coal is cheap, the US has centuries of reserves, and the current proposed plants would result in more power with cleaner air than we currently have. These plants should be approved ASAP.

55 posted on 02/12/2007 9:33:45 AM PST by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy Giuliani-Joe Dyton in '08; and free the Texas 3.)
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