"N.J. voting machines face twin challenge..."

Star-Ledger ^ | 11 February 2007 | Kevin Coughlin

[lifelong_republican]

"...Had the machines been tested, they would have proved to be a hacker's dream..."

[lifelong_republican]

We know they're not reliable. We know they're too costly. We know they lose, switch, and fake votes.

We know we need real ballots and observable counts.

[xcamel]

It serves their purposes to "up the FUD factor" --
The more fear they spread about electronic voting, the less time they have to spend hiding their tracks messing with the old system.

[lifelong_republican]

Those who point out the faults with the electronics do not fear the the technology at all.

Electronic 'voting' is merely convenient election subversion.

With the electronics, the unreliability will prevent some voters from voting. Others will have their votes lost, switched, or faked. Those who tamper with counts will be able to do so easily and with little or no risk of being caught.

Electronic 'voting' is sought for America by those who despise Americans.

[xcamel]

Like they haven't been doing that for the last 50 years with other voting methods?

[muawiyah]

"real ballots" ~ you mean the ones like we had where if you checked the ballot, and the pencil strayed into an adjoining block, your ballot got rejected?

Yessireeebob, that was sure a good thing.

[Doogle]

NJ?...politics?..wanna know why they don't want things to change and they NEVER will....

http://www.apatheticvoter.com/FederalStateWaste.htm

I can't wait to get out of this state!!

Doogle

[PatrickF4]

Designed to a) insure Democrats get elected or b) Republicans must have hacked in. That's the twin challenge.

[Calpernia]

NJ Defied Federal Orders to Promote Fraud
2006-11-08 @ 10:18:00
Even though the State of NJ was under Federal Orders NOT to use their voter registration "legacy" system which contains DEAD voters and People that long moved away, THEY DID IT ANYWAY.

What NJ DID:

http://www.govtech.net/magazine/channel_story.php/101667

A stipulation and order agreement between the state and federal governments provides New Jersey additional time to implement a statewide voter registration database while ensuring that the November 7 general election operates fairly and guarantees all eligible voters the right to vote, Attorney General Stuart Rabner announced today.

The agreement allows the postponement of full implementation of the statewide voter registration system, which was scheduled to be in effect under provisions of the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) and a related state law. Instead, the state will use the existing county voter registration rolls as the official system for this fall's election.

The state today also sought a declaratory judgment in Superior Court delaying the full implementation of the statewide voter registration system because exclusive use of the statewide system that could result in problems that could threaten the integrity and orderly administration of the election.


What NJ was ORDERED Not to Do:

http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/voting/nvra/nj_hava_comp.htm

The State of New Jersey is not in compliance with several provisions of Section 303(a) of HAVA, and was not in compliance by January 1, 2006.

21. Defendants violations of Section 303(a) of HAVA include the following:

(a) Defendants have not completed a computerized statewide voter registration list that serves as the sole system for managing and storing the State's list of registered voters, see 42 U.S.C. § 15483(a)(1)(A)(i);

(b) Defendants' current computerized statewide list does not contain the name and registration information for all legally registered voters in the State, see 42 U.S.C. § 15483(a) (1)(A)(ii);

(c) Defendants cannot use the current computerized statewide list as the official registration list for the November 2006 general election, which include elections for federal office in the State, see 42 U.S.C. § 15483(a)(1)(A)(viii);

(d) Defendants have not performed list maintenance on the statewide computerized registration list by removing duplicate registrations from the list, see 42 U.S.C. § 15483(a)(2)(B)(iii); and

(e) Defendants have not required applicants for voter registration to provide a driver's license number (if they have such number) or the last four digits of the applicant's social security number (if the applicant does not have driver's license number) on voter registration applications, see 42 U.S.C. § 15483(a)(5)(A)(i).

22. As a result of the failure of Defendants to take the actions set forth in Paragraph 21 above, there is no statewide voter registration list in the State of New Jersey that complies with the requirements of Section 303(a) of HAVA.

23. Unless and until ordered to do so by this Court, Defendants will not come into compliance with Section 303(a) of HAVA.

SECOND CAUSE OF ACTION
24. Plaintiff restates and incorporates herein by reference the allegations contained in Paragraphs 1 through 23 of this Complaint.

25. Pursuant to the NVRA and New Jersey law, the New Jersey Attorney General is the chief state election official responsible for the conduct of list maintenance. 42 U.S.C. § 1973gg-8; N.J. Ann. Stat. 19:31-6a.

26. Defendants have not complied with the list maintenance requirements of Sections 8(a)(3) and (4) of the NVRA because:

(a) Defendants have not completed a general program to remove deceased registrants from the State's official list of registered voters, see 42 U.S.C. § 1973gg-6(a)(4)(A); and

(b) Defendants have not performed or completed a general program that identifies and removes registrants who have had a change of residence, see 42 U.S.C. § 1973gg-6(a)(4)(B).

27. As a result of the Defendants' failure set forth in Paragraph 26 above, the State of New Jersey has not complied with the list maintenance requirements of Section 8(a) of the NVRA, 42 U.S.C. § 1973-gg(a).

28. Unless and until ordered to do so by this Court, the Defendants will not take timely actions necessary to ensure that list maintenance requirements are performed as required under Section 8 of the NVRA.

[Calpernia]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1518679/posts
Vote Early, Vote Often

[EQAndyBuzz]

I am curious how they could do this with thousands of machines.

And if this is the case, an auditor should be brought in, review all the code and show the company exactly where the code is changed.

Then they should round up the programmers and shoot them as traitors.

[Calpernia]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1775997/posts
"E-voting components found in old furniture, sold on eBay"

Maybe this is a method?

[DalcoTX]

I don't think that you have to mess with each individual machine. Each precinct group or county has a central tabulator. This tabulator takes the vote counts from each machine and compiles the data. It then generates a MS Excel or MS Access file. Then using a proprietary program, it translates the data file into a report that the elections supervisors certify. You could, conceivably, alter the data file, and the reader software wouldn't know the difference.

[lifelong_republican]

Vote fraud is nothing new, as you say, but with the electronics it's easier to do and harder to spot.

[lifelong_republican]

Even computer scientists who wanted the electronics to be superior found, in studies, that for all its faults paper is still more reliable.

This was published in "National Geographic":

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/11/1101_041101_election_voting.html

[muawiyah]

The Democrats maintained a stranglehold on the Commonwealth of Virginia for many decades through the use of paper ballots.

Can't fool me.

[lifelong_republican]

Thanks for the interesting link. I understand how you feel.

[lifelong_republican]

A lot of corrupt Democrats will manipulate elections with ease and little concern for detection, with the electronics.

[lifelong_republican]

Thanks for the interesting information about NJ.

The corrupt Democrats won't even need their dead 'voters' once they can merely change the numbers with the electronics.

[lifelong_republican]

Past abuses of elections processes don't justify making future ones easier to do and to hide.

[lifelong_republican]

It's easy to affect thousands of machines when they can be rigged in the factory (in communist China), or later when they are used with wireless and internet connections.

It will be impossible to determine who tampers with them at any point along the way.

The electronics makes it easy for traitors to subvert elections and get away with it.