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Holding Your Nose, AKA the Lesser of Two Evils (Vanity)

Posted on 02/11/2007 6:00:59 AM PST by Ultra Sonic 007

It boggles the mind.

First of all, it's only a few months after the 2006 elections ended, and we're already on the move towards the 2008 elections. I'm sorry, but doesn't Bush have two years left? A lot can change until then.

Secondly, let's look at some of the current frontrunners for the GOP.

Mitt Romney. John McCain. Rudy Giuliani.

Romney has flip-flopped on positions many times, so I wouldn't give him my vote. John McCain, despite his strong conservative rating from the ACU (lifetime of 83), he is partially responsibility for the travesty of McCain-Feingold, aka CFR. He is also a supporter of amnesty. Sorry.

Giuliani, although strong on national defense, is a devout Leftist. Pro-abortion. Pro-gun control. Pro-homosexual rights. He embraces illegal immigration. It stuns me that he has as large a following on Free Republic as he does.

There are far better candidates out there. Tom Tancredo (lifetime rating of 99). Sam Brownback (lifetime rating of 95). Duncan Hunter (lifetime rating of 92).

So why?

Why are so many going to hold their noses and compromise their beliefs? Name recognition? Why? It bewilders me.

We have Pro-Life candidates in Hunter, Brownback, and Tancredo. We have anti-illegal immigration and Pro-border control candidates in Hunter and Tancredo (this is where Brownback slips up; support for a guest worker program? Voted yes on allowing illegals access to Social Security? No thanks.). We have pro-second amendment candidates in all three (NRA gave Hunter an A+, and both Brownback and Tancredo an A). All three are supportive of the War on Terror.

So please. Tell me. Why not vote for any of these three (particularly Tancredo and Hunter; Brownback's position on immigration irks me)? Why not?

Who cares about name recognition at this point? It's 2007. November 2008 is a long way away. A lot can change between now and then.

I refuse to compromise on MY beliefs in this matter. I will not vote for a candidate who is socially no different from the socialists on the Left. Hanging up your hat at this point is akin to giving up.

Don't.

Vote for Hunter. Vote for Tancredo. Get the word out.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: duncanhunter; johnmccain; tomtancredo
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To: lentulusgracchus
Yeah, I'm worried about a northeastern inner-city liberal like RINO-rudy's ideas about "de minimus" government.

First, it's coming down on homeless window-washers, then it's smoking in public, then it's using cell phones in cars and while walking, and then, down the road of a liberal dem OR a liberal RINO presidency...

we're no better than many euro Nanny/Police states where we can't exercise our 2nd Amendment rights or right to self defense, use bb guns or knives, have toy guns, etc.

It doesn't end with these types of big-government jack-booted-thugs.

141 posted on 02/11/2007 7:39:08 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: TomGuy
Folding hands 20 months from the election because a few straw polls and the MSM say X or Y and Z are the only ones electable plays right into the MSM's desire to control the direction.

Maybe they do this because they can. Maybe they can because the American sheeple are fat, stupid, lazy, immoral, and content to be house slaves.

142 posted on 02/11/2007 7:40:50 AM PST by MichiganConservative (Cthulu '08!)
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To: Richard Kimball; Extremely Extreme Extremist; Ultra Sonic 007
Interesting thoughts. I don't favor Giuliani, but I favor beating hell out of Beastie.

See my remarks above, though, about a liberal Republican's potential to split the party.

Too, what you have to watch out for in the general, is not the GOP'ers who would stay home, but as 2006 pointed out, the MOR indy swing voters who, confronted with a choice between a Republican who sounds more liberal than a Republican and a Democrat who is identifiable with the liberal party, tend to drift away from their "Reagan Democrat" voting pattern and just go with the 'Rats.

That's what Rahm Emanuel's strategy was all about last fall with the "conservative" Democrats he ran. (Interesting how he wound up being the kingmaker in all those local Democratic nominating races, yes? -- nobody's screaming in the MSM about "King Rahm", though, they way they do about Rove, are they? And that raises another question: If Rahm was doing all that, and Rahm is an old Clintonista........then was he working for Bubba the whole time????).

The entire point is that when the contest's between a 'Rat playing middle-of-the-road (lying her ass off, IOW) and a Republican who sounds MOR, the Reagan Democrats vote 'Rat.

Can I make this point loudly enough? Liberal Republicans are a Bad Idea.

143 posted on 02/11/2007 7:41:25 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: DocH

The sky is falling?

Similair things would have been said if anyone had said before 9-11-01 that terrorists would hijack airliners and fly them into buildings killing thousands.

Who would have believed it could happen?

Who will believe that if we let up on the War on Terror (This includes Iraq!) this will enable them to attack NYC with an (Iranian?) WMD?

The sky is falling? Are we THAT comfortable and complacent now?


144 posted on 02/11/2007 7:41:29 AM PST by HankReardon
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To: Nuc1
Of course. SCOTUS is the battleground. I tried to find something on Rudy's historreer: appointments in NYC, for what that would be worth. Not much, imo.

So, we are left with his stated intention to appoint a certain type of judge. If he is true to his own stated position on Roe, I don't see how that bodes well for conservatives.

145 posted on 02/11/2007 7:45:08 AM PST by don-o (Duncan Hunter for President. Inform yourself. You won't have to hold your nose!)
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To: DocH; All

Do you know of any sites with side by side comparisons for the Republican choices? I've been trying to study each one individually, but it would be easier if I had a basic chart to start with.


146 posted on 02/11/2007 7:46:35 AM PST by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
I'd rather elect Hillary than vote for Giuliani.

Be careful what you wish for. You may get it.

147 posted on 02/11/2007 7:47:15 AM PST by tsmith130
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To: DocH
I am in no way liberal or a RINO. But I will be there at 6:00 AM to vote for the republican who has a chance to stop Hillary from being elected.

I would love to have a better choice. But there is noway I am throwing my vote away if she is going to win. I do not feel as strongly about Obama. He has no idea what he is doing, and neither does Edwards. But she does.
148 posted on 02/11/2007 7:48:48 AM PST by poinq
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To: DocH
I am in no way liberal or a RINO. But I will be there at 6:00 AM to vote for the republican who has a chance to stop Hillary from being elected.

I would love to have a better choice. But there is noway I am throwing my vote away if she is going to win. I do not feel as strongly about Obama. He has no idea what he is doing, and neither does Edwards. But she does.
149 posted on 02/11/2007 7:48:53 AM PST by poinq
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To: mom4kittys

Sorry, I don't, but if I find one, I'll let you know.


150 posted on 02/11/2007 7:48:58 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: DocH
I am in no way liberal or a RINO. But I will be there at 6:00 AM to vote for the republican who has a chance to stop Hillary from being elected.

I would love to have a better choice. But there is noway I am throwing my vote away if she is going to win. I do not feel as strongly about Obama. He has no idea what he is doing, and neither does Edwards. But she does.
151 posted on 02/11/2007 7:49:00 AM PST by poinq
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To: bushfamfan
Yeah, the Chairman of the Armed Services Committee. Sure, that doesn't set him apart!

He was only chairman for 3 years.

152 posted on 02/11/2007 7:50:30 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
Romney has flip-flopped on positions many times,

No he hasn't. This is a silly assertion without any evidence whatsoever to support it.

He started out with moderately centrist positions on some issues and moved right.

Just like Reagan.

No flip. No flop. Just strong rightward movement.

What's wrong with that?

153 posted on 02/11/2007 7:50:36 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: DocH

Thanks, It is just so difficult this time around isn't it?


154 posted on 02/11/2007 7:50:50 AM PST by mom4kittys (If velvet could sing, it would sound like Josh Groban)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
I fail to see how Rudy's gun-control policies are an example of how government exists to keep people safe in their homes.

Rudy was enforcing the gun control laws. You know, the ones written and supported by Republicans in Congress when big cities such as NYC was giving the 2nd Amendment the middle finger.

155 posted on 02/11/2007 7:53:14 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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To: lentulusgracchus
which was why Beelzebubba's lizardy little press allies were promoting Dole in preference to other Republicans hopefuls

Not to mention, Clinton didn't have a Perot to syphon votes as before.

The MSM (drive-by media) will determine who gets to face Hillary in '08. To use a Superbowl analogy: the socialists have already checked into their hotel and will be first on the field. The non-socialists (well, sort of) are still having their luggage checked by the TSA. Go Bears.

156 posted on 02/11/2007 7:53:50 AM PST by budwiesest ("It's for the common good, stupid.")
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To: lentulusgracchus
Congress did little to advance the idea of limited government

Rudy cut taxes and took on the city's entrenched liberal sacred cows. To me, that means he's man enough to take on SS/Medicare/Medicaid and the rest of the big government programs.

157 posted on 02/11/2007 7:55:00 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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To: don-o
"I happen to actually that there will be a Last Day when all men and women will give account for deeds done in my life. I do not need to try to justify a vote for a man who believes in the right to choose to kill unborn babies. Believe it or don't, there are millions with that same mindset. An enabler of abortion is simply not an option. Period."

Don't you see that a sin of 'omission' is equal to a sin of 'commission'.

Sitting out a vote is putting a mark on the DEM ballot. That's a fact. None of the DEM candidates have a better position on abortion than the worst RINO. That's a fact.

An empowered DEM president with a DEM house and senate will do a litmus test on all judicial appointees. The courts are where this matter will be won or lost. That's a fact.

Let's not shoot our unborn babies 'in the foot' with highly principled, but logically bankrupt voting.

158 posted on 02/11/2007 7:55:10 AM PST by nctexan
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To: TomGuy
You say Newt could not handle the Speaker's job, but you say he needs to be in Congressional leadership?

Yes. He's unsuited for the Speaker's job, or rather the Speaker's job doesn't suit his strengths, but he needs to be in leadership somewhere because of the good work he proved he could do up to 1994.

If he couldn't handle it before, why do you think he could handle it now?

He should never again allow himself to be put in a position where he can be personally charmed and manipulated the way he was by Clinton. Think about it. Why did Clinton want to meet with Dole and Gingrich? To screw them. Why did they agree to meet him? Because Slick was the President of the United States, and they couldn't very well say no, although they should have. Gingrich should never again allow himself to be put in that position, of negotiating with screwover experts like Bill Clinton. But that doesn't mean he shouldn't ever be in leadership of the congressional GOP. He has many abilities, just not that one.

He resigned from the Speakership and basically walked out on his House seat.

He resigned from the Speakership because (correctly) he had concluded he was no longer effective, he had lost a lot of traction with the House Republicans he was supposed to lead, and the MSM were closing in on him with "ethics" issues. They were trying to hang him, and they were doing a good job of personal destruction.

He could have remained in his seat, but he'd have just been taking up space (I gather he concluded) and, as he said at the time, needed to go off somewhere and retool and recharge, away from the MSM's constant demands that he square accounts with the rest of humanity by committing suicide.

159 posted on 02/11/2007 7:55:30 AM PST by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: Afronaut
When was a Mayor elected as POTUS?

When was a movie star elected President?

160 posted on 02/11/2007 7:55:59 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Good night Chesty, wherever you are!)
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