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Why Bother Electing Pro-Gun, Pro-Family Candidates Anywhere? (The Rudophile Philosophy)
Free Republic - TitansAFC ^ | 2-10-07 | TitansAFC

Posted on 02/10/2007 1:39:11 PM PST by TitansAFC

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To: Lazamataz

As is your right...


181 posted on 02/10/2007 7:37:51 PM PST by Hildy (RUDY IN 2008)
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To: sam_paine; Hildy
After 8-yrs of Hillary-care, where abortion-on-demand and empryonic stem cell harvesting is paid for by the federal government,

You wish to avoid the abomination of a Hillary Clinton administration? So do I. So let's not make Lefty Giuliani the Republican nominee. Let's give social conservatives a real choice, a real Reagan social conservative.

If you insist on Rudy, you will get Hillary.

I don't know how much clearer that point can be made.

182 posted on 02/10/2007 7:41:04 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Blackirish; TitansAFC; narses; flashbunny; sitetest
How many pro-war social liberals are there in America? Because that is what Giuliani is, and that is the only contingency he can appeal to in a general election.

So, a Giuliani vs. Hillary Clinton contest would result in all of the Kerry social liberals who voted Democrat in 2004 going to her, most social conservatives going third party, and Republican RINOs banding together with the small number of Lieberman Democrats in a losing bid to support the inevitable failure of Rudy "drag show" Giuliani!

183 posted on 02/10/2007 7:41:35 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: Giant Conservative

Yep. You got it. Rudy is Hillary's best bet.


184 posted on 02/10/2007 7:43:29 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: sam_paine
Thus I have a question for you Titan-think alikes. Is this "teach them a lesson" thing a suicide pact for the country? After 8-yrs of Hillary-care, where abortion-on-demand and empryonic stem cell harvesting is paid for by the federal government, do you think you'll be in a better position to get Roe v Wade overturned?

If Rudy lost and even if Hillary won I do not think it would get passed as easily as if Rudy was POTUS pushing the exact same thing. In a Hillary vs Rudy race if Rudy wins we have in effect two GOP's. Rudy will do the DEMs bidding and take half the GOP with him added to the DEMs doing so. I've seen it happen before in Tennessee. A liberal RINO governor did the DEMs work for them and the party was hard pressed to oppose him on important issues.

On the other hand most GOP elected would fight against Hillary trying to do the exact same things as Rudy and worse. At least more so than a split GOP would with Rudy. Sometimes winning and election is worse than loosing especially when your party candidate is the other parties useful idiot.

Sad to say the pre-1994 GOP had far more will to fight against the liberals agenda than the GOP majority since has shown. Electing a RINO will only compound it. What few hard fighting Conservatives left will get no help.

185 posted on 02/10/2007 7:44:14 PM PST by cva66snipe (Rudy, the Liberal Media's first choice for the GOP nomination. Not on my vote not even in Nov 2008..)
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To: TitansAFC

As blacks are to the Democrats, Conservatives are to the Republicans?


186 posted on 02/10/2007 7:49:49 PM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
You don't get it. Those who self-identify as "pro-choice" know that this is a baby, from conception, and claim the "right" to kill it anyway. They aren't uninformed, they're murderous.

As to Giuliani, he is completely "pro-choice", and it would be irrational to presume ---no matter what spin Hannity lets put on the topic--- that he would appoint Supreme Court Justices that do not share his view on Roe.

And ultimately, protecting babies here in America is far more important than Iraq.

187 posted on 02/10/2007 7:55:32 PM PST by Giant Conservative
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To: TitansAFC

Well done!


188 posted on 02/10/2007 8:01:10 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: TitansAFC
GREAT post!! Really. You nailed it.

However, even with the Rudybots and their "Roberts and Alito" shibboleth, I'm not overly impressed with Roberts and Alito. They've not done anything to earn my ire, but I haven't stood up and cheered about much of what they've done either. I'm sure they're the best Bush could have done but they're no Judge Robert Bork. For me, the jury is still out on Roberts and Alito because they're so new to the court and I'm not going to pretend otherwise just because the Rudybots believe that they are the be all and end all of great Supreme Court justices.

189 posted on 02/10/2007 8:01:35 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Giant Conservative

I get it. I disagree on how, when and why abortion will recede as a choice. It won't be because of politics. Pro-life politicians certainly haven't made a bit of difference.

And I disagree on the importance of Iraq, and the importance of this country believing it's right to defend itself against terrorism.

That's what's important to me. I won't badmouth you for hoping for a different candidate, I won't even try to put down other candidates. I don't think eating our own is good for business. But these better candidates of yours better start getting themselves some airtime if they're going to catch up.


190 posted on 02/10/2007 8:05:30 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: TitansAFC
BRAVO!

191 posted on 02/10/2007 8:33:04 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: RockinRight

I agree with you. I'm also both. But it seems the FC only crowd neither desires nor feels the need for SC support unless social conservatives abandon their philosophical positions in pursuit of chimerical 'electability'.


192 posted on 02/10/2007 8:44:19 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: TitansAFC

Excellent post. As I said on another threa:, When we abandon our principles for power, we ultimately end up with neither.


193 posted on 02/10/2007 8:45:07 PM PST by B Knotts (Newt '08!)
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To: RockinRight

Dear RockinRight,

I'm an economic conservative as well as a social conservative.

However, if you make me choose between what's good for my wallet and recognition of and respect for fundamental human rights, well...

I cannot vote for president for someone who is a pro-abort, for someone who believes that abortion is a constitutional right, that Roe was rightly decided.


sitetest


194 posted on 02/10/2007 8:52:52 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: RockinRight
Then leave if it's so bad. I, for one, have a long life ahead of me and will try and soldier on however I can.

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but this is still the best country around in general. That's the sad part. If I were rich enough, I'd go live on the Palm Islands in Dubai and just watch the morons destroy what's left of the West in general and the US in specific.

195 posted on 02/10/2007 8:55:00 PM PST by MichiganConservative (If you don't like rape, then don't rape anyone. Don't force your morals on others!)
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To: PzLdr

I do see some truth in that.

However, I don't see an easy solution.


196 posted on 02/10/2007 9:09:53 PM PST by RockinRight (When Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under the bed for Jack Bauer.)
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To: muleskinner

excellent, insightful.


197 posted on 02/10/2007 9:17:09 PM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: sitetest

I was just pointing out my opinion on WHY we're seeing so many pro-aborts lately. Social Conservatives strayed from their fiscal conservative roots and ended up causing a backlash.

Fiscal Conservatives who aren't social conservatives will put up with social conservatives as long as they get what they want fiscally. They haven't been. Hence what happened.

I'm not saying it's RIGHT...just that it happened.


198 posted on 02/10/2007 9:22:11 PM PST by RockinRight (When Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under the bed for Jack Bauer.)
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To: Blackirish

I could almost go for that.

Newt has some personal issues, but his positions are acceptable for almost all fiscal and social conservatives. He's not IDEAL, his history of marital problems guarantees that, but if he had enough influence on Rudy as Rudy's veep candidate I might be able to swallow that ticket.


199 posted on 02/10/2007 9:23:56 PM PST by RockinRight (When Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under the bed for Jack Bauer.)
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To: Blackirish
They both wrote an article together for the WSJ so they are currently working together....I'd bet the topic was bought up.

Got a link to that article?

200 posted on 02/10/2007 9:24:32 PM PST by RockinRight (When Chuck Norris goes to bed at night, he checks under the bed for Jack Bauer.)
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