Posted on 02/10/2007 1:39:11 PM PST by TitansAFC
As is your right...
You wish to avoid the abomination of a Hillary Clinton administration? So do I. So let's not make Lefty Giuliani the Republican nominee. Let's give social conservatives a real choice, a real Reagan social conservative.
If you insist on Rudy, you will get Hillary.
I don't know how much clearer that point can be made.
So, a Giuliani vs. Hillary Clinton contest would result in all of the Kerry social liberals who voted Democrat in 2004 going to her, most social conservatives going third party, and Republican RINOs banding together with the small number of Lieberman Democrats in a losing bid to support the inevitable failure of Rudy "drag show" Giuliani!
Yep. You got it. Rudy is Hillary's best bet.
If Rudy lost and even if Hillary won I do not think it would get passed as easily as if Rudy was POTUS pushing the exact same thing. In a Hillary vs Rudy race if Rudy wins we have in effect two GOP's. Rudy will do the DEMs bidding and take half the GOP with him added to the DEMs doing so. I've seen it happen before in Tennessee. A liberal RINO governor did the DEMs work for them and the party was hard pressed to oppose him on important issues.
On the other hand most GOP elected would fight against Hillary trying to do the exact same things as Rudy and worse. At least more so than a split GOP would with Rudy. Sometimes winning and election is worse than loosing especially when your party candidate is the other parties useful idiot.
Sad to say the pre-1994 GOP had far more will to fight against the liberals agenda than the GOP majority since has shown. Electing a RINO will only compound it. What few hard fighting Conservatives left will get no help.
As blacks are to the Democrats, Conservatives are to the Republicans?
As to Giuliani, he is completely "pro-choice", and it would be irrational to presume ---no matter what spin Hannity lets put on the topic--- that he would appoint Supreme Court Justices that do not share his view on Roe.
And ultimately, protecting babies here in America is far more important than Iraq.
Well done!
However, even with the Rudybots and their "Roberts and Alito" shibboleth, I'm not overly impressed with Roberts and Alito. They've not done anything to earn my ire, but I haven't stood up and cheered about much of what they've done either. I'm sure they're the best Bush could have done but they're no Judge Robert Bork. For me, the jury is still out on Roberts and Alito because they're so new to the court and I'm not going to pretend otherwise just because the Rudybots believe that they are the be all and end all of great Supreme Court justices.
I get it. I disagree on how, when and why abortion will recede as a choice. It won't be because of politics. Pro-life politicians certainly haven't made a bit of difference.
And I disagree on the importance of Iraq, and the importance of this country believing it's right to defend itself against terrorism.
That's what's important to me. I won't badmouth you for hoping for a different candidate, I won't even try to put down other candidates. I don't think eating our own is good for business. But these better candidates of yours better start getting themselves some airtime if they're going to catch up.
I agree with you. I'm also both. But it seems the FC only crowd neither desires nor feels the need for SC support unless social conservatives abandon their philosophical positions in pursuit of chimerical 'electability'.
Excellent post. As I said on another threa:, When we abandon our principles for power, we ultimately end up with neither.
Dear RockinRight,
I'm an economic conservative as well as a social conservative.
However, if you make me choose between what's good for my wallet and recognition of and respect for fundamental human rights, well...
I cannot vote for president for someone who is a pro-abort, for someone who believes that abortion is a constitutional right, that Roe was rightly decided.
sitetest
Perhaps you haven't noticed, but this is still the best country around in general. That's the sad part. If I were rich enough, I'd go live on the Palm Islands in Dubai and just watch the morons destroy what's left of the West in general and the US in specific.
I do see some truth in that.
However, I don't see an easy solution.
excellent, insightful.
I was just pointing out my opinion on WHY we're seeing so many pro-aborts lately. Social Conservatives strayed from their fiscal conservative roots and ended up causing a backlash.
Fiscal Conservatives who aren't social conservatives will put up with social conservatives as long as they get what they want fiscally. They haven't been. Hence what happened.
I'm not saying it's RIGHT...just that it happened.
I could almost go for that.
Newt has some personal issues, but his positions are acceptable for almost all fiscal and social conservatives. He's not IDEAL, his history of marital problems guarantees that, but if he had enough influence on Rudy as Rudy's veep candidate I might be able to swallow that ticket.
Got a link to that article?
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