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Border agents who testified against convicted co-workers will be fired
The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin ^ | February 10, 2007 | Sara A. Carter

Posted on 02/10/2007 5:42:48 AM PST by truthkeeper

Border agents who testified against convicted co-workers will be fired
Men who were at scene of shooting terminated for changing their stories
by Sara A. Carter

Two Border Patrol agents who testified against two co-workers convicted of shooting a drug smuggler will be fired for changing their stories about events surrounding the shooting, according to documents obtained by the Daily Bulletin.

Sources inside the Border Patrol also say Oscar Juarez, a third agent who testified against Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, resigned from the agency last month shortly before he was to be fired.

All three agents gave sworn testimony against Ramos and Compean for the U.S. Attorney's Office, which successfully prosecuted the shooting case in March. The agents were given immunity in exchange for their testimony despite changing their accounts of the incident several

"When you give deals to witnesses like immunity, the government usually gets the testimony (it wants)," said Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, a former judge and prosecutor. "This case is a perfect example."

(Excerpt) Read more at dailybulletin.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderagents; borderpatrol; compean; convicted; dcpatriotgoober; frobls; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; ramos; retrial
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To: BearCub
As is noted elsewhere, the shot was not in the back but across the perp's behind.

Further, the site of entry of a bullet does not indicate the orientation of the person who is hit at the time the irrevocable neurological signal was sent by the shooter to his trigger finger. Force Science Institute at Minnesota State University at Mankato has done good work on this.


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61 posted on 02/10/2007 7:22:55 AM PST by Mad Dawg ("global warming -- it's just the tip of the iceberg!")
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To: alicewonders

B-I-N-G-O !


62 posted on 02/10/2007 7:24:23 AM PST by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: True Republican Patriot
EARTH to Tony Snow!! Wake Up! and dont be so Blind and Stupid! Get it Right for Once! This Prosecuter was and is sick and demented.

You're a clown.

63 posted on 02/10/2007 7:27:59 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: truthkeeper
inevitable hearings

What hearings? I believe the administration is going to do all it can to sweep this under the rug.

64 posted on 02/10/2007 7:31:23 AM PST by TheBattman (I've got TWO QUESTIONS for you....)
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To: TheBattman

Now that Feinstein is calling for them, along with a number of Republicans, I predict they'll happen. Of course she has her own motivations and they certainly aren't noble.


65 posted on 02/10/2007 7:33:13 AM PST by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: DCPatriot; True Republican Patriot

Actually he's no clown at all. Tony Snow has been all over the airwaves chastizing everyone to "read the transcript" and blowing the administration talking points that are dripping with lies.


66 posted on 02/10/2007 7:34:13 AM PST by battletank
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To: truthkeeper

There are a lot of people on FR who
need to get a good "dose" of this.


67 posted on 02/10/2007 7:35:46 AM PST by WKB (I'd vote for a Mormon before I'd vote for a moron.)
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To: 4woodenboats

If these witnesses are being fired for lying on the stand during this trial, how can their convictions be upheld?


68 posted on 02/10/2007 7:36:35 AM PST by MissEdie (Liberalscostlives)
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To: MissEdie

This new information will no doubt be included in their pending appeals. Can some lawyerly type tell us how long this process could take?


69 posted on 02/10/2007 7:38:17 AM PST by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: SwinneySwitch; GOPPachyderm

Swinney, our new FRiend GOPPachyderm would like to be on your border ping list. She's particularly interested in the two agents who are wrongly imprisoned, Ramos and ?

Thx, FRiends


70 posted on 02/10/2007 7:38:31 AM PST by Froufrou
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To: truthkeeper

I'm not a lawyer, but trained in the legal field and I can tell you that there are many reports that all these months after the trial, the transcripts are still "not available". No appeal can go forward without the trial transcripts.


71 posted on 02/10/2007 7:41:33 AM PST by battletank
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To: battletank
Please...the only reason all of you are so blinded with conspiracy theories is because you are enraged over illegal immigrants and the government's seemingly disinterest in securing the southern border.

IOW, you're all irrational...which leads to clownlike statements.

72 posted on 02/10/2007 7:41:40 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: antisocial
INVASION USA Drug smuggler left cell phone in van But Ramos-Compean prosecutor claimed no evidence against him

Posted: February 10, 2007 1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila The Department of Homeland Security's report on the case of imprisoned Border agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean notes the drug smuggler they pursued left behind his cell phone, but there appears to be no evidence investigators made any attempt to identify him.

Moreover, the disclosure directly contradicts prosecutor U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton's repeated statements that there was no evidence that permitted law enforcement officers to track down the drug smuggler, Osbaldo Adrete-Davila, for prosecution.

The DHS report, which was heavily redacted, notes the discovery of the cell phone as follows:

Aldrete-Davila stated that he had nothing in his hands as he ran toward the international border. When asked if he possibly could have had a cellular telephone in his hands, Aldrete-Davila reiterated that his hands were empty. He advised there had been a cellular telephone in the van, but stated it was left behind. [Agent's Note: The Form I-44, Report of Apprehension or Seizure, completed by Jose Compean, noted that a cellular telephone was discovered inside the van.

The DHS report failed to include the Form I-44 referred to in the above paragraph.

WND also has obtained a transcript of the testimony of Border Patrol agent Arturo Vasquez at the Ramos-Compean trial. On page 84 of that transcript, Judge Kathleen Cardone of El Paso quashes the defense attempt to discuss Davila's cell phone.

73 posted on 02/10/2007 7:44:01 AM PST by Uncle Chip (TRUTH : Ignore it. Deride it. Allegorize it. Interpret it. But you can't ESCAPE it.)
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To: truthkeeper

FIRED....that's IT?????


74 posted on 02/10/2007 7:44:10 AM PST by Suzy Quzy
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To: DCPatriot

And, pray tell, what about anything I wrote to you indicates any "conspiracy theories"? It is a fact that Tony Snow has slapped people with the "read the trial transcript" BS and, in fact, there are numerous reports of no transcripts being available MONTHS after the trial.

If you think I'm full of conspiracy, I would counter that you are naive.


75 posted on 02/10/2007 7:45:08 AM PST by battletank
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To: DCPatriot
" I'm hopelessly liberal on immigration. They took the nerve to get across the border to work here....let them stay. Give them citizenship. Get them on the tax rolls."
(From your homepage.)

I'm sorry, but I don't find this statement very rational.

76 posted on 02/10/2007 7:46:14 AM PST by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: hershey; kellynla; Brad's Gramma; BurbankKarl; A CA Guy; John Jorsett
Absolutely true!
77 posted on 02/10/2007 7:46:30 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: Gritty

Yes,...too damn true!


78 posted on 02/10/2007 7:47:27 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The DemonicRATS believe ....that the best decisions are always made after the fact.)
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To: truthkeeper

I believe this is Pres. Bush's warning to anyone trying to interfer with the illegal traffic. Don't mess with the illegals.

I also believe Bush is attempting to purge the Republican Party of anyone who is against illegal immigration.


79 posted on 02/10/2007 7:48:45 AM PST by common denominator
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To: truthkeeper; DCPatriot

'splains alot about alot of whining coming from the "hopelessly liberal". Thanks.


80 posted on 02/10/2007 7:49:13 AM PST by battletank
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