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Border agents who testified against convicted co-workers will be fired
The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin ^ | February 10, 2007 | Sara A. Carter

Posted on 02/10/2007 5:42:48 AM PST by truthkeeper

Border agents who testified against convicted co-workers will be fired
Men who were at scene of shooting terminated for changing their stories
by Sara A. Carter

Two Border Patrol agents who testified against two co-workers convicted of shooting a drug smuggler will be fired for changing their stories about events surrounding the shooting, according to documents obtained by the Daily Bulletin.

Sources inside the Border Patrol also say Oscar Juarez, a third agent who testified against Border Patrol agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, resigned from the agency last month shortly before he was to be fired.

All three agents gave sworn testimony against Ramos and Compean for the U.S. Attorney's Office, which successfully prosecuted the shooting case in March. The agents were given immunity in exchange for their testimony despite changing their accounts of the incident several

"When you give deals to witnesses like immunity, the government usually gets the testimony (it wants)," said Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, a former judge and prosecutor. "This case is a perfect example."

(Excerpt) Read more at dailybulletin.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderagents; borderpatrol; compean; convicted; dcpatriotgoober; frobls; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; ramos; retrial
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To: DCPatriot

I doubt, DC, that you have to deal with the consequences of large numbers of illegal aliens in your neighborhood. Your business gets to profit from the availability of illegal labor, you go home and leave others to cope with the crime.


181 posted on 02/10/2007 9:39:49 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: SuzyQue
Thanks. You make a lot of good sense. But I still wonder why the government went after them with such a vicious vengeance when, as you pointed out, "benign neglect" had been working just fine for the open-borders crowd for decades.
182 posted on 02/10/2007 9:39:56 AM PST by Cedric
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To: battletank
Thanks. I don't like bs.

BTW, I find it interesting that various posters who have continually and nonsensically been defending the incarceration of these Border Patrol Agents, the DHS and the "testimony" of the other soon to be fired Border Patrol Agents, refuse to comment on threads such as this which highlight the weakness of their arguments. I guess I should say interesting, but not surprising. So much for "truth".
183 posted on 02/10/2007 9:42:46 AM PST by khnyny
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To: khnyny

Oh! They comment alright. Hear the screams of "racism"! They've got no other argument. I think they know it too and they succumb to the lowest of the low...the liberal "race card".


184 posted on 02/10/2007 9:44:10 AM PST by battletank
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To: Uncle Chip

It was interesting to me that there was nothing on his site about any of this. You would think given his location and job description he would have at least weighed in. He sure is keeping a low profile.


185 posted on 02/10/2007 9:45:02 AM PST by angelsonmyside
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To: BearCub
Those guys shot someone in the back as he was running away.

That's what the prosecutor wishes you to believe, but it's not what really happened.

186 posted on 02/10/2007 9:45:32 AM PST by Marine Inspector (Customs & Border Protection Officer)
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To: Froufrou

Border Agents Ramos and Compean


187 posted on 02/10/2007 9:47:13 AM PST by AprilfromTexas
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To: truthkeeper
"When you give deals to witnesses like immunity, the government usually gets the testimony (it wants)," said Rep. Ted Poe, R-Texas, a former judge and prosecutor. "This case is a perfect example."

That looks like a pretty appropriate conclusion to me.

Does anybody think these agents would have been fired if there wasn't a public spotlight on this case? It took two full years to finish up their adminstrative actions?.... uh, huh, sure.

188 posted on 02/10/2007 9:47:16 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: DCPatriot
Good morning.
"...the great unwashed in here."

I thought said you were going away.

"I believe in assisting people who have shown me the initiative to better their lives."

Do you mean the drug smuggling, human smuggling, child molesting, accident causing drunk driving people? That's what all of this is about, not good looking Latinas or cheap labor.

You are too bleeding much.

Michael Frazier
189 posted on 02/10/2007 9:49:26 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Sender
Might as well have one contiguous state from the Panama canal to Alaska.

If not for the close to 200 million third-worlders and their third-world ways - corruption, socialist sympathies, inferior culture, etc. - that would necessarily come with that arrangement it would be great ;)

190 posted on 02/10/2007 9:51:25 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Lancey Howard
But, why not just quietly discipline these guys or fire them or even buy them off? Why go overboard in prosecuting them and, thus, draw national attention to the situation?
191 posted on 02/10/2007 9:51:30 AM PST by Cedric
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To: dirtboy
LOL! At least half of Montgomery County, Maryland...which is recognized as being one of the wealthiest in the nation...has turned into Tijuana North.

I can see the demographics personally...as I work in the entry level and lower move-up markets.

There is no crime to cope with, dirtboy.

As I wrote in here previously, I patronized the local 7-11 which became national news because of the hordes of day laborers loitering in the parking lot. Dozens and dozens of them. Not bothering anybody.

Yet, 100 feet adjacent, there is a homeless shelter filled with another minority group that incessantly begs for money and handouts.

The county has trampled on the citizen opposition to their plans to build another (3rd) day laborer shelter in the area.

And yes, I have indirectly profited...just like the County, State and Federal government is doing.

The vast majority of them are hardworking, honest and decent people. Get over it and stop whining.

The illegal immigrant is responsible for the economic boom in this country...like it or not.

192 posted on 02/10/2007 9:56:58 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: truthkeeper

That's totally hosed! I grant you immunity, yet you lie. I definitely have issues with this process. Very frustrating. First we have a drug runner crossing the border, and engaging two of our agents in a fire fight; Second, our border agents are prosecuted for following a perp who wrongfully entered the U.S. to conduct illegal business, which is illegal both in the U.S. and Mexico; Third, we have two agents who lied on the stand about the whole incident - they were granted immunity, after the government knew the two agent's lied. Something is very wrong with this picture.


193 posted on 02/10/2007 9:57:03 AM PST by Sword_Svalbardt (Sword Svalbardt)
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To: DCPatriot
There is no crime to cope with, dirtboy.

You are dead wrong. I don't supposed you LIVE in neighborhoods with illegals.

194 posted on 02/10/2007 9:57:41 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: battletank
Oh! They comment alright. Hear the screams of "racism"!

If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck....

195 posted on 02/10/2007 9:58:45 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: JohnnyP

The entire chain of custody on the bullet fragment was ruined when the Army doctor (they took Davila to an Army hospital to remove the bullet) gave the fragments to Sanchez of HLS who took Davila and the bullet fragment to his home for the night; therefore breaking chain of custody and ruining the DNA in the process, too.


196 posted on 02/10/2007 10:03:48 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: dirtboy
Actually I was a resident of Montgomery County, Montgomery Village, Maryland and I was literally surrounded by Hispanic neighbors, no doubt the vast majority illegals.

I just recently moved to the Villages of Urbana just over the border to the north..into Frederick County.

The only reason we don't see them now is because the houses are only a couple of years old and sell for $600K to $900K.

I hated to leave Montgomery Village for the logistics, but I traded a 1142 sq. ft. condo with a $500 monthly condo fee...for a 5,400 sq. ft. colonial where I can play on my 9 ft. pool table without ever having to use 'stumpy', the short cue. ;^)

197 posted on 02/10/2007 10:06:03 AM PST by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: pollyannaish

In reading your posts, you are less involved emotionally then most of us. That can be a good thing. Allows more clear thinking frankly.

But one thing is troubling me. I agree that it would be better if these agents got their appeal heard and have there names cleared, that would be ideal. I believe the trouble is that, that may not happen.

These transcripts are sealed, are staying sealed, and I don't see and movement by our government to shine the light of day on what really went on here.

Why weren't they allowed to be out on their own while the appeal went forward? Why not? It happens everyday. Something is very major wrong here. It is driving the "close the boarder" crowd sense of justice bonkers.

The drip, drip, drip of the lies is only making matters worse.


198 posted on 02/10/2007 10:07:35 AM PST by TruthConquers (Delenda est publius schola)
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To: DCPatriot; dirtboy
There is no crime

The Illegal Alien Crime Wave

199 posted on 02/10/2007 10:07:53 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: DCPatriot
Yes, they are for the most part hard-working, harmless, decent, pleasant people. There is one overriding problem with them being here, however: They are here illegally!
200 posted on 02/10/2007 10:09:08 AM PST by Cedric
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