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Rudy's Run (Editorial by Nat Review editors)
NRO ^ | 2/9/2007

Posted on 02/09/2007 5:55:32 AM PST by Uncledave

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To: Uncledave
there are serious obstacles to Giuliani’s winning the embrace of conservatives (an UNDERSTATEMENT, if there ever was one).

Putting aside his tumultuous personal life, his positions on many national issues, from tax reform to the environment, are largely unknown and will be more closely examined. On social issues, however, his LIBERAL views are well known and so present a threshold question for many conservatives(Duh!). Giuliani’s most important flaw in this regard is his denial that unborn children have a right to life(not to mention his anti-gun, anti-freedom, anti-2nd Amendment, I would submit, UN-American positions).

The bar for Giuliani will (and SHOULD) be higher, since he is running for president(THAT's the point!)

On Hannity & Colmes on Monday night, Giuliani said that he supports a ban on partial-birth abortion, so long as it allows the procedure when necessary to save the mother’s life. The qualification is puzzling: Nobody has ever presented a persuasive hypothetical case in which a woman’s health would depend on partly delivering her child and then crushing the child’s skull and sucking out the brains — let alone an actual case in which her life was at stake.

On Hannity & Colmes, he dodged the question (I would submit he dodged MANY of the questions).

His current muddle raises the possibility that “strict constructionism” is, for him, nothing more than a slogan.(it's called POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY. RINO-rudy is willing to SAY or DO most anything to get elected President)

He would also be well-advised to quit caricaturing the pro-life position.

Many conservatives understandably don’t want to shut the door on Rudy Giuliani (Maybe SO-CALLED "conservatives". The MAJORITY of TRUE CONSERVATIVES DO want to slam the door on this RINO)

Many pro-lifers, and many (TRUE) conservatives, may eventually decide (We have ALREADY decided!) that for all his obvious strengths (one, MAYBE TWO strengths MAX) they CANNOT support Giuliani for president.

21 posted on 02/09/2007 6:38:37 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: basil
It seems to me that if we are going to be "one issue" voters in this election, our one issue better be the war on terror.

We can NEVER afford to be ONE issue voters.

The WoT needs to be one of the top issues, but what is security (both actual and perceived), without FREEDOM/LIBERTY?

We must have, and there's no reason we can't have, a REAL conservative candidate who will be tough on the WoT, AND will REVERE, RESPECT and SUPPORT our 2nd Amendment RIGHTS and the RIGHT of the unborn to live.

No RINO, and particularly RINO-rudy, makes the grade in this regard.

22 posted on 02/09/2007 6:45:27 AM PST by DocH (Gun-grabbers, you can HAVE my guns... lead first.)
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To: DocH

Better work hard to get your candidate elected. We might as well accept that we aren't going to have a perfect candidate that agrees with each of us individually on every issue. That being the case, we better decide which philosophical ideology (party) we want to support. Anyone who sits out this election, or throws away their vote on a third party cndidate, deserves exactly what they get.


23 posted on 02/09/2007 6:50:55 AM PST by basil (Exercise your Second Amendment rights--buy another gun today.)
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To: areafiftyone
Giuliani once opposed Roe himself, according to press reports when he first ran for mayor in 1989.

Well, well, well.

24 posted on 02/09/2007 6:51:26 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

WOW! We need more info on that!


25 posted on 02/09/2007 6:54:34 AM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: Uncledave

So the girly boys at NRO go all tingly over Rudy the Liberal. Why am I not surprised?


26 posted on 02/09/2007 6:55:43 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: areafiftyone

It sounds like he had to change positions in order to win in NYC, but his original position was opposition to Roe!

He wouldn't be the first politician, or presidential candidate, to change positions to gain higher office, that's for sure. But it's comforting to know he was opposed to Roe in 1989.


27 posted on 02/09/2007 6:58:08 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Yes it is! I'm glad to know that.


28 posted on 02/09/2007 6:58:59 AM PST by areafiftyone (RUDY GIULIANI 2008 - STRENGTH AND LEADERSHIP)
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To: Uncledave

I like Rudy, but not for Prez. Of course, if it is between him and Hillary, no contest: Rudy all the way. :)


29 posted on 02/09/2007 7:00:04 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

It doesn't matter... I won't pull the lever for a liberal...


30 posted on 02/09/2007 7:03:20 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Peach

Well whatever the wind blows!


31 posted on 02/09/2007 7:05:36 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: mariabush

correction = whatever WAY the wind blows.


32 posted on 02/09/2007 7:07:51 AM PST by Coldwater Creek
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To: basil

I agree it would be very difficult to vote for Rudy. I have never voted for a Pro Choice candidate in my life. I feel that if the Republicans would put up a true Conservative they could win and win big. Remember its the liberals in the GOP that destroyed us in the last election. I also feel that if the GOP decides to become a more liberal party it will shift the Dem party even more left and we will be stuck with two liberal parties.


33 posted on 02/09/2007 7:16:21 AM PST by Brownback08
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To: Jake The Goose
How can anyone say that - when his record in New York as a massive tax cutter and budget cutter is there

You are correct. He's like Bush and Arnold - borrow and spend.

34 posted on 02/09/2007 7:17:56 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: basil; Pharmboy
Again, though, the dim candidate will no doubt be a much more committed anti Second Amendment person.

Freeper Pharmboy had NYC gun permits for nearly two decades. Ed Koch never tried to take them away. David Dinkins never tried to take them away.

Rudy tightened the screws for getting permits renewed and took them away.

35 posted on 02/09/2007 7:20:17 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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You're wrong - I suggest you do a little research on Guiliani's fiscal record in NYC.

- Came into office with a deficit
- Left office with a surplus
- Cut taxes.

If you did not live it NYC, and worst yet - you don't know the facts - why pretend you do?

You can be against Rudy without presenting yourself as ignorant.


36 posted on 02/09/2007 7:42:03 AM PST by Jake The Goose
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To: Jake The Goose
- Came into office with a deficit - Left office with a surplus

Now, check into the increase in NYC's debt load during that time before you call me ignorant.

37 posted on 02/09/2007 7:44:51 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Uncledave

But for four decades, pro-lifers have resisted intense pressure from journalistic, political, and legal elites to declare the abortion question closed. Those elites would surely treat the Republican party’s nomination of a pro-choicer as their final victory. Having blocked that bipartisan ratification of abortion-on-demand for so long, pro-lifers will be especially disinclined to accept it now, after several years in which they have gained ground. (Even Democrats realize that their pro-choice extremism is an electoral loser.)


38 posted on 02/09/2007 8:02:20 AM PST by kalee (No burka for me....EVER!)
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To: dirtboy

Oh brother... get Duncan Hunter a comb - and may the best man win.

BTW - I like Duncan Hunter - he's aggressive with the press - it's just that in Southern California (from San Diego to Orange County) his reputation among my peers was that of a typical member of congress - little legislative track record.

He will help the party with his tough stances however.

I don't think he can win the nomination - then again - I thought Bob Dole was loser... and he won.

Good group, Duncan, Mitt, Rudy, Newt, ---- (I cannot add McQuid - just can't)

Good luck to him.


39 posted on 02/09/2007 8:04:26 AM PST by Jake The Goose
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To: Uncledave

LOL

I love it.

Post after post saying the same thing
Rudy will be a fiscal Conservative,
Rudy will fight the war.

Nothing else matters and all other Republicans are losers.

We're not gonna swallow that tripe.


40 posted on 02/09/2007 8:40:47 AM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)
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