Posted on 02/09/2007 2:09:08 AM PST by ovrtaxt
It's considered proper ettiquite to include a FR member when you post a comment about them.
I'm happy to see healthy skepticism. Hysterical speculation isn't healthy for anybody.
I'm not keeping a list and checking it twice. If calcowgirl responds to this post and suggests that nobody holds that opinion, I will do further investigation to dig up the names and posts which back up my claim.
My guess is she'll not respond because she knows there are posters who have that opinion.
It's considered proper FR behavior to ping an FR member when you talk about them, in case they are not reading every comment in a thread.
I think it's so FR members can repost the same stuff in new threads where people won't read all the rebuttals showing the vacuousness of the WND reports.
Say, do you remember Vladimir Posner?
He used to do the talk show circuit, offering defenses and excuses for the Soviet Union's behavior. A true master at making the inexcusable seem "reasonable".
I have to admit something here -- I thought Rene Sanchez was a woman. Never noticed any pronouns, and I associate the name "Rene" as a female name.
Not sure it matters, it's just funny that I've been picturing Rene as a female BP agent.
Yes.
My job here is to point out when statements are made that sound reasonable, but are either inconsistant, contradictory, contrary to known facts, or unrelated to the matter at hand.
I will be happy if someone finds proof these guys are innocent. I was sorry they were convicted, think the sentences are too long, and support congressional and executive branch inquiries into the matter.
I just think the people pushing the issue are going way overboard with the rhetoric, the personal attacks, the slander, and that they are ahead of their evidence.
If I saw people posting wild accusations against those supporting the BP agents, with nobody responding, I might be seen as on the other side of the issue.
I have no personal stake in this. It won't bother me in the least to be proven wrong -- I want to be on the side of the truth, and am seeking the truth and trying to cut through the hype to find it.
Those who seek truth should welcome the challenge to their perceptions, because truth tried by fire remains.
Dismissing those who would question opinion rather than answer it does noone any good.
It just occurred to me to wonder if Rep. Ted Poe is a descendant of Edgar Allan Poe, the poet!!
Too bad I can't ping both of them, since they are not FReepers...:(((
Yes, I've seen one or two that may have posted something that extreme. I don't remember who. Most people just want the whole truth to come out and based on information available believe the border guard when he said "He was pointing something shiny with his left hand. It looked like a gun. This is when I started shooting" vs. a drug smuggler under immunity who had a close relationship with those investigating and prosecuting the agents and hoping to make millions in a tort claim against the U.S. Government.
I think there should have been an administrative investigation, not a witchhunt resulting in a criminal indictment and arrest without even talking to Ramos and Compean beforehand. When Sutton chose to bring the "crime of violence" and "assault with intent to kill" charges, he definitely jumped into the overzealous category.
Uh.... actually Ramos didn't originally think he even hit him because the guy ran off back across the border. And since the bullet fragments haven't been proven to come from any one weapon how does anyone know who really shot the guy and when? All Ramos admitted to was firing his weapon.
BTW, nice to see you're getting some use out of your thesarus.
See 211.
It was only because Aldrete-Davila went out of his way (after the fact) to report them to the DHS that the ball started rolling. Now you say in the post : Why would the guy confess he was smuggling drugs? He's already free and clear. He's in Mexico, the agents can't identify him, there's no prints on file linking him to the van or the drugs. All you have is the agent of a mother of a mother who says their son was shot at the border. Nothing close to being actionable. This drug dealer was NEVER getting punished for this deal -- the two BP agents assured that when they failed to either arrest him (two police officer with guns failed to contain an unarmed man who at one point tried to surrender), or to look at him well enough to identify him even though BOTH men saw him well enough to "think he had a gun" and to shoot at him, and Compean was within FEET of the guy with the guy facing him with his hands up. When you have NOTHING AT ALL to use against a criminal, but you want his testimony to convict another criminal, you have no leverage to ask for ANYTHING.
Hmmm....so he was NEVER going to get charged with the smuggling of those drugs across our border...? Well that's funny because that is not what you were saying to SwordofTruth back on 1/30/2007 : I hope he is stupid and testifies in a civil trial about the incident, because as soon as he says in a civil trial that he was there that day, we can prosecute him for the drugs, because we only gave him use immunity for the trial testimony.
Ooops.
Well I checked with a prosecutor who works for our D.A.'s office. Because of the immunity deal Aldrete-Davila struck with Sutton's office he cannot be criminally prosecuted for the smuggling of drugs that he did on that day. Even if he goes through with the civil trial and talks about it on the stand. Thanks to Sutton he is free to sue the BP and the two agents for millions of dollars.
Of course any other incidents involving drug smuggling on his part are still fair game.
Not all over --- just on the steering wheel? Is that what you are not saying?
There were 8 different sets of prints lifted from the van, NONE of which were tied to any person in the files.
So what you are saying is that Osbaldo was not in their files at the time??? So his fingerprints were not on file? Was he being protected by somebody???
There is no report that the prints were ever matched to the smuggler
So somebody failed to file their reports??? That sounds like a case for a federal prosecution --- Johnny Sutton should get right on that. Or did they fail to dust for fingerprints --- and Johnny Sutton went to trial without those fingerprints??? Sounds like a case of federal prosecutorial incompetence. Don't these guys know how to investigate a crime scene???
even after he was granted use immunity and they would have his prints to test against the van.
They would have or did??? Which is it??? You are all over the board on this --- presuming, and assuming, woulding, and shoulding, and coulding --- but with no hard evidence. Just because there is no report does not mean there were no fingerprints especially for a prosecutor who is not good at doing his job, but very good at hiding evidence, lying about what he knows, failing to report evidence, and redacting transcripts.
On the other hand, if there were no fingerprints on the van to tie this known smuggler to the scene of the drug bust, and the bullet fragments were inconclusive, then there was no hard evidence that this known drug smuggler could have even been shot at the scene of the drug bust, right? And that makes this entire vicious prosecution even more suspicious to those of us who pay his salary? We're not paying yours too, are we???.
I've had it with all the different, contradictory, and often incorrect representatations of the facts of this case.
So then why aren't you upset with Johnny Sutton's and the DHS's "different, contradictory, and incorrect representations"???? Me thinks thou protest too much??? This case is unravelling minute by minute along with all of your presumptious protestations.
INVASION USA Drug smuggler left cell phone in van But Ramos-Compean prosecutor claimed no evidence against him
Posted: February 10, 2007 1:00 a.m. Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi © 2007 WorldNetDaily.com
Osbaldo Aldrete-Davila The Department of Homeland Security's report on the case of imprisoned Border agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean notes the drug smuggler they pursued left behind his cell phone, but there appears to be no evidence investigators made any attempt to identify him.
Moreover, the disclosure directly contradicts prosecutor U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton's repeated statements that there was no evidence that permitted law enforcement officers to track down the drug smuggler, Osbaldo Adrete-Davila, for prosecution.
The DHS report, which was heavily redacted, notes the discovery of the cell phone as follows:
Aldrete-Davila stated that he had nothing in his hands as he ran toward the international border. When asked if he possibly could have had a cellular telephone in his hands, Aldrete-Davila reiterated that his hands were empty. He advised there had been a cellular telephone in the van, but stated it was left behind. [Agent's Note: The Form I-44, Report of Apprehension or Seizure, completed by Jose Compean, noted that a cellular telephone was discovered inside the van.
The DHS report failed to include the Form I-44 referred to in the above paragraph.
WND also has obtained a transcript of the testimony of Border Patrol agent Arturo Vasquez at the Ramos-Compean trial. On page 84 of that transcript, Judge Kathleen Cardone of El Paso quashes the defense attempt to discuss Davila's cell phone.
IT'S ALL COMING APART NOW ---
Although why a fellow named Sanchez living on the Mexican Border would be running around with a French front-handle will just have to be chalked up to the every-growing list of oddities bedeviling us all on this case. One might as well ask, "René, you're a BP agent, so how come you and your mother-in-law are such great pals with a drug-running border bounder?"
Speaking of which, begrudging kudos to you, and erton1, for helping me keep an even spring-line on these emotional events ... and sprinkling the generous grain of salt on the leaks from the many and mixed sources of mis-, dis-, and sometimes even straight information.
Calcowgirl is doing the job the American media won't, by acting as sort of a clearing house for news on the case. It's now larger than the innocence or guilt of these two hapless BP Agents. It is a symptom of a disease affecting the whole country: our apparent inability and our national lack of the will necessary to maintain a proper and lawful border.
It's gone beyond lack of will. It now represents a deliberate effort to sabotage what enforcement of the border still exists.
Awwww... did you write that yourself?!
Sadly, you are correct.
Perhaps it was only a temporary loss...
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