Posted on 02/08/2007 1:49:38 PM PST by GulfBreeze
The 'logic' of those refusing to vote for Rudy:
Rudy is a too 'liberal' 'New Yorker' so they will place their de facto vote for missus clinton, a Stalinist New Yorker, albeit fake, (fake New Yorker, not fake Stalinist), who
It does the conservative cause no good to become petulant and self-destructive.
Do conservatives really want
I find it hard to believe that those people aren't able to discern the difference between Giuliani and clinton. Frankly, if true, it is frightening.
I am advocating for Giuliani not because of his ideology. I am advocating for him because I believe he can win, and because I believe he possesses the qualities that this country desperately needs in these perilous times.
The other night, I heard a man who is not perfect, but a man of rare intelligence, humility, warmth, competence, strength and leadership.
We will be fortunate, indeed, and our babies, born and unborn, living and not yet imagined, will be infinitely safer, if he is our next president.
from the same state! Isn't that suspicious!?
I think you're right - it's too late - we should give up now...keep your head down and say nothing
No they won't. Bush can't even identify the enemy (i.e. War on Terrorism) and bends over backwards to the CAIR crowd. Do you think McCain and Guliani would be any different?
I'll will never knowingly vote for a RINO such as Rudy. Especially Rudy as his only qualification is mayor of New York City. Hellooooooooooo! Anything else? I am honestly asking what else he has done privately or with government. How has he lived when he wasn't mayor? Does he come from wealth? Where does he get his income?
Yeah - I'm not sure if they're just flinging sh*t, which I'm guessing they are.
If the RINO's should change their vote and vote with the conservative base, then who would be getting the the Hillary vote? Helloooooooooo! Get it yet?
Can you answer the abovee questions about what has Rudy done other than being Maylor of New York? Just curious. Did he serve in the military?
Go ahead and fantasize about your ideal conservative candidate. (BTW, no such animal exists.)
Ours is a 2-party system. The other apparent options (a 3rd-party nobody ideologue, stay home) are just that: apparent. They are illusions. A mature voter understands he must choose between two imperfect candidates.
You are deluding yourself if you think that by voting 3rd party or staying home you would not be voting for clinton. (Can you say "Perot redux." Get it yet?)
And BTW, apres Bush the country is not looking for an ideologue (from the right, anyway). Haven't you been listening?
DH fans say its too early and polls don't matter. Maybe it is too soon for the campaign to be in full flight, but DH's plane hasn't gotten airborne and has overshot the runway. If his destiny were to be the nominee there would now be indicators registering. There are NONE.
Anybody with knowledge of a DH viability indicator outside FR, post it here. Cue the crickets.
What good does it do the conservative cause to waste energy promoting a candidate going nowhere? None, aside from ending up with amnesty promoting, tax hiking, CFR authoring McCain as a nominee.
Thanks for the Bump. Stop in again sometime!
No. Not really.
Not identifying the enemy may be a cause for concern, but it is far, far, far removed from surrendering, and that is something all Democratic presidential candidates will do.
You dismiss NY Mayor much too easily. First of all, New York is a more complex entity than many countries. But, that aside, it's not the job. It's how he did the job. By all accounts, he was brilliant and courageous. His experience and abilities cannot be more perfectly suited to the post-9/11 presidency. Read this excerpt from R. Emmett Tyrrell, hardly a liberal lackey.
Rudy Giuliani's announcement that he will seek the Republican presidential nomination brings to my mind a book I wrote in the early 1990s, "The Conservative Crack-Up." By 1994 and the arrival of Newt Gingrich's "Contract With America," it became apparent that the movement was not dead but rather on its way to palmy days. This was what I anticipated in "The Conservative Crack-Up," where I was careful to note that though the movement embraces contending factions, they all come together at election time. The libertarians, the social conservatives, the hawks--all recognize that the Democrats' alternative to them is a greater threat than they in good conscience could allow into government. One also knows a political leader by the action he takes. As mayor, Mr. Giuliani took on the nanny state that city government had become.... He cleaned up the crime-ridden streets, cutting crime by 64% and murder by 67%. By cutting spending and taxes, he turned an economic basket case into an economic marvel. In eight years he reduced or extinguished 23 taxes. Every year he was in office, New York City's economy grew faster than the nation's. Then came September 11 and he displayed to the nation the traits he had so successfully displayed in reviving his city. He was decisive, efficient, prudent, and--something only those at his side in Gracie Mansion already knew--brave. After the first plane struck the World Trade Center, he instantly rushed to the scene. Arriving just after the second plane hit he re-established governance nearby as the towers came down. He was in genuine peril but coolly oversaw the rescue work and communication with the outside world. He had already demonstrated his awareness of the danger and nihilism of terrorists. In 1995 he expelled Palestine Liberation Organization leader Yasser Arafat from commemorations of the United Nations' 50th anniversary sponsored by the city, saying, "When we're having a party and a celebration, I would rather not have someone who has been implicated in the murders of Americans there." Mr. Giuliani's knowledge of international terrorism has steadily grown to the point that he is now acknowledged as one of the world's foremost authorities on terror. That alone in these times should commend him to the majority of the American electorate. Still, he has another asset.... "Not since Teddy Roosevelt took on Tammany Hall," Mr. Malanga writes, "has a New York politician closely linked to urban reform looked like presidential timber." As an urban reformer and seasoned warrior in the struggle against international terror, Mr. Giuliani will be a formidable candidate for the presidency. Surely conservatives of all stripes will recognize this. What they need to hear next is where the mayor stands on conservative social issues. Mr. Tyrrell is founder and editor in chief of the American Spectator, a contributing editor of The New York Sun, and an adjunct fellow at the Hudson Institute.
... Ever since the conservative movement's ascendancy within the Republican Party in 1964, these grim diagnoses have been handed down episodically. Every time there is dissatisfaction among conservatives or they suffer some electoral setback, the liberal pundits step forward and pronounce the modern conservative movement at death's door. In my book I ventured the witticism that "conservatism is America's longest dying political movement."
... Well, one knows a politician by the company he keeps, and Mr. Giuliani has around him the financial people who created the libertarian-conservative Manhattan Institute. He relied heavily on the institute's policies while governing New York. He will rely on libertarian-conservative policy makers in his race for the White House and once there.
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Not Since T.R.
R. EMMETT TYRRELL JR.
February 8, 2007
Mia, you of all people have not answered any question regarding Rudy's past. How has he supported himself other than being Mayor of New York for all these years? Has he been elected to anything else other than mayor? Does he come from a wealthy family? Has he ever served in the millitary?
Mia, without he conservative base, a RINO such as Rudy cannot be elected. You will not sway a conservative Republican by throwing the old, tired, Hillary threat at them.
And if our liberal GOP president ends up destroying all of our rights in the process?
In other words, I would like to see a Rudy Guiliani resume. No big deal for most of us but for some reason, I can't seem to see one for Rudy.
I know he was consulted by Lopez Obrador, the Mayor of Mexico City, to assist them in fighting crime. Rudy went down Mexico City but failed. Mexico City is still rampant with crime and corruption.
No, nothing in my post supports that assertion.
Unless I misread your post, "gain name recognition and win in 2012" is premised on an R loss in 08.
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