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Report: Agents in border shooting lied
AP on Yahoo ^ | 2/7/07 | Alicia C. Caldwell and Suzanne Gamboa - ap

Posted on 02/07/2007 8:18:59 PM PST by NormsRevenge

EL PASO, Texas - A federal report released Wednesday on the shooting of a suspected drug smuggler by Border Patrol agents concurs with prosecutors that the men failed to report the shooting, destroyed evidence and lied to investigators.

Some members of Congress have criticized the case against Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean, who were fired after their obstruction of justice convictions and have each been sentenced to more than a decade in federal prison.

Congressional critics, who say the men were doing their jobs when they injured Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila in 2005 near El Paso, had sought the release of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security report.

The report "has just emboldened our position because there is nothing in there that indicates these agents were not justified in shooting this individual," said Tara Setmayer, a spokeswoman for Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (news, bio, voting record), R-Calif. "This finally sheds some light on what these agents were thinking."

She pointed to a written statement by Compean in which she said reflects that he "clearly believed the drug smuggler had a weapon and feared for his life."

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (news, bio, voting record), D-Vt., agreed Wednesday to allow Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif., to hold a hearing on the case, as she requested.

"I strongly believe that the sentences in this case are too extreme, given the criminal nature of the defendant and his possession of large quantities of drugs," Feinstein said in a statement. "These men were given sentences that some individuals who are convicted of murder wouldn't receive."

The heavily redacted, 77-page report, drafted last year, offers few new details. It primarily outlines what Aldrete said happened on Feb. 17, 2005, as he tried to run from Border Patrol agents after trying to elude them in a van loaded with marijuana.

According to the report, Aldrete, who was given immunity and has filed a multimillion-dollar claim against the federal government, told investigators he was unarmed and was shot as he ran from Compean and other agents. He said he tried to surrender and ran again after Compean slipped while trying to hit him with the butt of a shotgun.

The report also notes that other agents on the scene that day could not confirm whether Aldrete was armed and initially lied about whether they were aware of the shooting. They later cooperated with authorities. Those agents, whose names were removed from the report, were not prosecuted.

In a statement issued Wednesday afternoon, Rep. John Culberson (news, bio, voting record), a Texas Democrat, said Ramos and Compean "may not have followed proper procedure following the shooting, which at most should have resulted in their suspension from the force, but not criminal procedure."

A spokeswoman for U.S. Attorney Johnny Sutton, whose office prosecuted the case and who has been widely criticized for pursing the agents and not the drug dealer shot, declined to comment.

Lawyers for Ramos and Compean did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment.

The former agents were sentenced in October and reported to prison in January. Federal prison officials confirmed Tuesday that Ramos was attacked in a Mississippi prison after the airing of an episode of "America's Most Wanted" that highlighted his case.

Rohrabacher and other supporters of the agents have criticized President Bush for not pardoning them.

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Associated Press writer Suzanne Gamboa reported from Washington, D.C.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agents; aliens; border; borderagents; ignacioramos; immigrantlist; johnnysutton; josecompean; lied; report; shooting; toldthetruth
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To: calcowgirl; Ajnin; Arizona Carolyn; Calpernia; CAluvdubya; christynsoldier; Cyropaedia; dennisw; ...
Dianne Feinstein and the Democrats now looking for piece of the action. Marvelous oppo to look "tough" on the border without actually doing anything. Illegal aliens next beneficiaries of "Civil Rights" legislation.

IMHO, this means that a face-saving compromise is under way. Convicted agents will benefit from palliative measures, but don't look for a pardon. Smelly bits about to go under rug.

41 posted on 02/08/2007 6:17:56 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Biden, Biden, he's my man, if anyone says it, he soon can!)
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To: djf
The "dems" just have to be enjoying the riff in the GOP over this Border Patrolmen fiasco.

Bush can start the healing process by releasing these guys.

sw

42 posted on 02/08/2007 6:22:38 AM PST by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: billclintonwillrotinhell

Uh, we conservatives don't usually judge the punishment of criminals based on the morality of their victims. That's a purely liberal fantasy, that some crimes are better than others if they are committed against the "right" kind of people.

I suppose if they knew the defendant was a criminal with a large amount of drugs WHEN THEY SHOT HIM, the argument could be made that their act was justified by their knowledge of the dangers posed by drug dealers.

But if I decided to rob someone, and it turned out the person I robbed was a drug dealer, that shouldn't change the punishment for my crime. And if I decide to shoot someone for no reason, my punishment shouldn't be less if it turns out the guy cheated on his taxes or beat his wife.

Next thing we'll have "conservatives" arguing that of course, people who beat up gays should get a lot harsher sentence than people who beat up evil conservative republicans.

If they should get lesser sentences, it's because the punishment does not fit the crime. If they should be pardoned, it's because the evidence doesn't support guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Their guilt or punishment should not be based on how we "feel" about illegals or drug dealers.


43 posted on 02/08/2007 6:32:49 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: calcowgirl

Yes, when the government lies--it's a mistake. When the agents "lied" had their words twisted as this report makes clear--they are guilty of a criminal offense.


44 posted on 02/08/2007 6:51:00 AM PST by Sue Bob
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To: calcowgirl

Yes, when the government lies--it's a mistake. When the agents "lied" had their words twisted as this report makes clear--they are guilty of a criminal offense.


45 posted on 02/08/2007 6:51:04 AM PST by Sue Bob
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To: CharlesWayneCT
I thought that you were out of this? Did your masters tell you to get back to work?

While these threads are much more pleasant without you, it's good to know what the opposition is up to.
46 posted on 02/08/2007 6:59:37 AM PST by Iwo Jima ("Close the border. Then we'll talk.")
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To: NormsRevenge; calcowgirl
According to the report, Aldrete, who was given immunity and has filed a multimillion-dollar claim against the federal government, told investigators he was unarmed and was shot as he ran from Compean and other agents. He said he tried to surrender and ran again after Compean slipped while trying to hit him with the butt of a shotgun.
The report also notes that other agents on the scene that day could not confirm whether Aldrete was armed and initially lied about whether they were aware of the shooting. They later cooperated with authorities. Those agents, whose names were removed from the report, were not prosecuted.

P.U...this whitewash is really stinking up the joint. And what federal agency initiated this report? AP doesn't even say!

47 posted on 02/08/2007 7:04:35 AM PST by truthkeeper (It's the borders, stupid.)
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To: NapkinUser

SPIN SPIN SPIN,same old crap from our "free press"


48 posted on 02/08/2007 7:10:26 AM PST by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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To: djf

"This is gonna sound crazy, but if the Dems do what the Pubbies won't, then more power to them!"

Can't disagree with that.


49 posted on 02/08/2007 7:22:52 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: calcowgirl

I have to stick with my prediction; this is the issue that will get enough Republicans on board to impeach Bush. Why is he allowing himself to go down?


50 posted on 02/08/2007 7:43:03 AM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: truthkeeper
And what federal agency initiated this report?

The same one that just admitted to lying to Congress, lol (DHS-Office of the Inspector General). Oh, did you see the part about the woman who did the lying? She also authored this report. Ain't life grand?

51 posted on 02/08/2007 8:00:59 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: loboinok
Well yes. I didn't include that because it doesn't relate to this particular issue.

So I only posted an excerpt from the page from which I obtained the info.

But I did mean to post the link to where I got the information

So Here it is now

52 posted on 02/08/2007 8:40:17 AM PST by Syncro
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To: RBMN

Right ... was only equating him to the fact that he was never brought to any trial but was pardoned first ....


53 posted on 02/08/2007 9:30:55 AM PST by SkyDancer ("Those That Would Rather Have Security Than Freedom Deserve Neither")
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


54 posted on 02/08/2007 11:06:55 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: RBMN

"Convicted people don't get pardoned before there's even an appeal of the conviction."

G-E-R-A-L-D F-O-R-D and R-I-C-H-A-R-D N-I-X-O-N

I guess that was different though. They wore the Imperial Purple and what applies to them doesn't apply to lesser folks.


55 posted on 02/08/2007 12:21:51 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Report: Agents in border shooting lied

You don't get twelve years in prison for "lying". The shooting was justified. But Alberto Gonzales gets his paychecks from Mexico City, so these agents had to fry.

56 posted on 02/08/2007 12:31:30 PM PST by montag813
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To: NormsRevenge

The fix is in...................


57 posted on 02/08/2007 12:32:48 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: editor-surveyor

"I have to stick with my prediction; this is the issue that will get enough Republicans on board to impeach Bush. Why is he allowing himself to go down?"



all things considered...I'd say it's a perfect indication of the strenth of the OBL.


58 posted on 02/08/2007 1:57:32 PM PST by Kimberly GG (DUNCAN HUNTER '08.....lframerica.com.....MARCH TO TAKE BACK AMERICA)
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To: calcowgirl
The aides told the lawmakers that the two agents had admitted to investigators that they intended to "shoot Mexicans." But Inspector General Richard L. Skinner said under questioning by Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, that the statements were erroneous, and he apologized.

Skinner is a piece of garbage who holds the lives of two American citizens very cheap.

There is a conspiracy folks. Too bad these two weren't white, then the "we wanted to shoot Mexicans" lie would have never been questioned.

59 posted on 02/08/2007 2:06:00 PM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Conservatives demand their government doesn't make up lies to convict either. These border patrol agents said they thought the man had a gun. The government has already lied about the case so there is no reason not to believe the officers. 12 years for shooting a fleeing suspect in the butt is far harsher than the perpetrators of Waco and Ruby Ridge got combined which is nothing.
60 posted on 02/08/2007 2:11:02 PM PST by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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