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Rudy on gun control: "You've got to REGULATE consistent with the Second Amendment"
FOX News ^ | Feb 6, 2007 | Hanity and Colmes

Posted on 02/07/2007 2:40:44 PM PST by Jim Robinson

HANNITY: Let me move on. And the issue of guns has come up a lot. When people talk about Mayor Giuliani, New York City had some of the toughest gun laws in the entire country. Do you support the right of people to carry handguns?

GIULIANI: I understand the Second Amendment. I support it. People have the right to bear arms. When I was mayor of New York, I took over at a very, very difficult time. We were averaging about 2,000 murders a year, 10,000...

HANNITY: You inherited those laws, the gun laws in New York?

GIULIANI: Yes, and I used them. I used them to help bring down homicide. We reduced homicide, I think, by 65-70 percent. And some of it was by taking guns out of the streets of New York City.

So if you're talking about a city like New York, a densely populated area like New York, I think it's appropriate. You might have different laws other places, and maybe a lot of this gets resolved based on different states, different communities making decisions. After all, we do have a federal system of government in which you have the ability to accomplish that.

HANNITY: So you would support the state's rights to choose on specific gun laws?

GIULIANI: Yes, I mean, a place like New York that is densely populated, or maybe a place that is experiencing a serious crime problem, like a few cities are now, kind of coming back, thank goodness not New York, but some other cities, maybe you have one solution there and in another place, more rural, more suburban, other issues, you have a different set of rules.

HANNITY: But generally speaking, do you think it's acceptable if citizens have the right to carry a handgun?

GIULIANI: It's not only -- I mean, it's part of the Constitution. People have the right to bear arms. Then the restrictions of it have to be reasonable and sensible. You can't just remove that right. You've got to regulate, consistent with the Second Amendment.

HANNITY: How do you feel about the Brady bill and assault ban?

GIULIANI: I was in favor of that as part of the crime bill. I was in favor of it because I thought that it was necessary both to get the crime bill passed and also necessary with the 2,000 murders or so that we were looking at, 1,800, 1,900, to 2,000 murders, that I could use that in a tactical way to reduce crime. And I did.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Peach

Get something straight here, sweet pea, the reference flogging was figurative and it's being handed out nicely while you skate around. If you're gonna talk about me please be woman enough to ping me to the conversation.


581 posted on 02/07/2007 5:58:14 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (A Muslim soldier can never be loyal to a non-Muslim commander.)
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To: Jim Robinson; All

582 posted on 02/07/2007 5:58:40 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: dirtboy
That doesn't matter in the context of the post.

Oh, it matters a great deal, as I will show you.

A veto makes it 67 percent.

Okay, now suppose, just suppose, that to pass a law with a friendly President required 80 votes, and to pass a law over a President's veto required 81. Would it still be so critically important that we get a President who'd wield that veto pen? Would you consider the thread that there would be exactly 80 (not 79, not 81) anti-gun Senators to be sufficiently dire to justify overlooking all other considerations?

I sure as hell hope not. I sure as hell hope that you'd consider a candidate's likelihood of winning, his merits relative to his opponent, his managerial ability, and so forth.

There's a certain risk that between 51 and 67 Senators will want an anti-gun bill. There's a certain risk that between 60 and 67 Senators will want an anti-gun bill. The latter risk is lower than the former. There's less chance of it happening. Which means the risk that President Guiliani will sign an anti-gun bill is lower, with a 60-vote threshold to overcome a filibuster. That's why your false statement that a Guiliani presidency would mean a 51-vote majority would enact anti-gun legislation was both relevant and false.

583 posted on 02/07/2007 5:58:42 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: OMalley
now wheres my aspirin......

Might have to go to something a bit stronger. It's still almost a year until the first vote is cast.

584 posted on 02/07/2007 5:58:44 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Thanks for perpetuating the stereotype of gun owners being anti-government, redneck wackos.

Most of the guys who fought and died to bring us our nation's freedom in the War for Independence were gun-owning, anti-government, "redneck" wackos - from the point of the British.

585 posted on 02/07/2007 5:58:52 PM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: dirtboy
Given the number of RINOs in the Senate, you obviously are unschooled in political reality.

Given your attempt to change the subject, you're obviously unschooled in the art of debate.

586 posted on 02/07/2007 5:59:27 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: pissant
Spoken by people that have no idea how long a political year can be and how tides can change quickly.

So true. He hasn't even had the opening salvo of the Clinton machinery yet. I heard his closet for skeletons is a walk-in, a very large walk-in despite those things that are fairly common knowledge.

587 posted on 02/07/2007 5:59:27 PM PST by houeto ("electable got us Arnie. It's not working for California and it won't work for America!" - JimRob)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

Anyone who talks to any freeper the way you've talked to me will not get my courtesy or a ping and I will continue to discuss you behind your back whenever I feel like it. Got it?


588 posted on 02/07/2007 6:00:44 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: processing please hold

With my mood today I am starting to think something like valium might be more up my alley LOL ;)


589 posted on 02/07/2007 6:00:52 PM PST by OMalley (Hi Mom:) Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dirtboy
The critical numbers here are 51 and 67. It is quite possible to get a gun control to the Oval Office desk with RINO support, which negates a filibuster.

Noooo... because if there's RINO support, there's more than 51 supporters anyway. If the RINOs support the legislation, they must be counted towards the threshold... which remains 60.

So the critical issue is, will it be vetoed or signed? Which makes this a 51-67 issue.

Sorry, where does the 51 come in? If 49 Senators oppose the law, how exactly is it enacted? Any RINO who would not vote to sustain a filibuster cannot be counted as being in opposition to the law.

590 posted on 02/07/2007 6:01:40 PM PST by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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To: Peach
Maybe Reagan didn't really evolve on abortion either given that he gave us to pro abort Supreme Court judges. See - two can play that game.

I'll just let that statement stand in all its hideous cravenness for all to see.

591 posted on 02/07/2007 6:01:44 PM PST by garv (Conservatism in '08 www.draftnewt.org)
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To: Politicalities
Given your attempt to change the subject, you're obviously unschooled in the art of debate.

Given that the critical number is always 67 percent when talking about the Oval Office, you need to go back to JUCO.

592 posted on 02/07/2007 6:02:14 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Peach

M'kay, pumpkin. Whatever makes you happy.


593 posted on 02/07/2007 6:02:36 PM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (A Muslim soldier can never be loyal to a non-Muslim commander.)
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To: Politicalities

You're missing the forest for the trees.

The President of the United States, in his person, is one-third of the government of our country.

He is by far the most powerful human being on the planet. Not omnipotent by a long shot, but vastly powerful.

Anyone who wants a leftist like Giuliani anywhere near that sort of power can only be one of two things: a leftist themselves, or incredibly ignorant.


594 posted on 02/07/2007 6:02:54 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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To: garv

Thanks for highlighting it; much appreciated. It's made so many freepers who weren't even thinking about Rudy have second thoughts so the more attention it gets, the more I appreciate it.


595 posted on 02/07/2007 6:03:13 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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To: adopt4Him

Do you really believe that unconstitutional laws that infringe on the fundamental rights of all citizens will make any difference to a criminal? Hint, criminals do not abide by the law.


596 posted on 02/07/2007 6:03:21 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
You honestly believe that, huh?

Thanks for perpetuating the stereotype of gun owners being anti-government, redneck wackos.

Yes, I do honestly believe that but never thought I was "anti government". I am for small, limited government. The job of the government is to protect our borders and our God given rights as human beings. They are not to interfere in my own household unless I am hurting my children or other Americans. Yes, I do not want the government to tell me when I an take a piss then tax me for it. What are your beliefs?

597 posted on 02/07/2007 6:03:52 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: Jim Robinson

"What part of the people's right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED does he NOT understand?"

There you go with that pesky 2nd Amendment again.

Can't you see that Rudy and the rest of our Rulers simply want to do what is right?

It's for the chilluns after all!

(please, yes that was sarcasm)


598 posted on 02/07/2007 6:04:08 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (In a world where Carpenters come back from the dead, ALL things are possible.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I know all about Rudy's past social liberalism & his anti-gun stance.
It's his present social liberalism & anti-gun stance that bothers me.
Common sense simply tells me that he's not going to ban guns or sign liberal abortion laws if he wants to be a one-term President.
Common sense simply tells me that it only takes a one-term President to ban guns or sign liberal abortion laws.
Once the deed is done...
599 posted on 02/07/2007 6:04:10 PM PST by philman_36
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To: Peach
I will continue to discuss you behind your back whenever I feel like it. Got it?

I've seen a lot of that from your crowd of late.

600 posted on 02/07/2007 6:04:14 PM PST by EternalVigilance ("With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?")
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