Posted on 02/07/2007 9:50:33 AM PST by pissant
Sorry, I should have been more specific. In most bills banning partial birth abortion, there is a second part that allows all other abortions to take place. In effect, it is not just saying that partial birth abortion is illegal, it is also saying that all other abortions are legal. That was what I was referring to.
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I'm guessing they put forward the best bill they could under the circumstances. Someone on another thread asked why not a Cesarean section rather than a partial birth abortion? I think it's a valid question.
I don't disagree with your question. It certainly is important to know these things before you pull the lever for the man. I wouldn't expect you to until you were satisfied that he stood for, at least, the majority of the same things as you do.
However, this is what we have primaries for (for a candidate to make himself and his ideas known to the general public), and there is an effort to knock the man out of them before they even begin, and in the case of Guiliani, the attacks are very often severe, sophomoric, petty and untruthful. Democrats operate in this way --- we don't. Or at least, shouldn't. I ojbect to the Guiliani bashing almost solely on this point.
To answer your question though, why not lsten to what the man has to say, and then perhaps you'll get your answer?
Someonw PLEASE tell me where delivering a dead baby will save the life of the mother.
My son is a Dr. he can not think of one reason to do a PBA to save a woman. Hmmm
I did not say it would. I said that is the bill they all voted on.
Two reasons:
1) To acknowledge a Caesarean as an option would completely refute the bogus "sometimes necessary to save the mother's life" argument that is all this procedure has to stand on. And even though the procedure is the kind of thing we hung Nazis for, the pro-abortion crowd isn't willing to give an inch to pro-lifers, lest the house of cards on which they've built their justifications begin to come down.
2) Fetal tissue = stem cell research = money
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It's a good question.
I do think Hunter is the best of the Republican contenders, regardless of the exception to the bill.
2) Fetal tissue = stem cell research = money
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That makes sense. Thanks.
bump for Duncan Hunter!!!
"Goodness" of a candidate is measured by the ability to WIN elections.
I must have missed the "Hunter cannot win because he's too conservative" crowd. They all want us to vote for Giuliani because he CAN win, by God. Look, Rudy can even get DEM votes. Who cares? It's the RINOs who lost the last election.
He's a Coastie...I don't LIKE coasties.
Thanks for endorsing Hunter. How many elections has he won now?
And here we come to the crux of the matter; define "liberal".
As an American, the system of you live under (free elections, consenual government, separation of powers, free-market capitalism, etc) is the result of liberal thought an dphilosophy, advanced by liberal means (i.e. violent revolution).
As a conservative, therefore, what you seek to preserve is, at it's foundation, a collection of liberal ideas.
What you mean when you use the word "liberal" in it's current context is nothing of the sort --- unless you consider having your health care rationed, race-based perogatives shoved down your throat, continual class warfare, having the government dictate what activities you can and cannot indulge in, or having your wealth systematically stripped from you by the overbearing power of the state, to be liberal concepts, even in the most generous application of the concept. What you mean to say, really, is "libertine". Your objection to "the other side" is really based upon your opposition to their view of what freedom means (i.e. their belief that freedom exists without correlating responsibilities or consequences, even when it flies in the face of popular opinion, common sense or cultural norms).
If you vote for the lesser of two liberals, therefore, you get the least liberal, in the classical sense, and a diminishment of actual freedom.
Please learn what a liberal truly is before you throw the term around so casually.
And if you want to WIN elections you do 3 things:
Get others to believe and fund you
Have better arguments than your competition
Don't have a Howard Dean moment.
I hope to stop the erosion to the left in America. IMHO< Rudy accelerates it, therefore I plan to support Hunter, a true conservative, in the primary(ies).
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