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Are some people born evil?
Daily Mail ^ | 7 Feb 2007 | Brian Masters

Posted on 02/07/2007 6:36:07 AM PST by gobucks

At the age of 84, America's grand man of letters Norman Mailer has lost nothing of his appetite for controversy. His latest novel, The Castle In The Forest, tackles the childhood of Adolf Hitler.

The book tells how two-year-old Adolf watched his father whip a dog with 'a look of remarkable intensity for one so small'. And how, as a six-year-old, he went into the woods by himself 'to work on the power of his voice. He would roar at the trees until his throat was sore'. Perhaps the most chilling passage is when Adolf causes the death of his younger brother, Edmund, by deliberately infecting him with measles by kissing him.

But above all, the novel poses a central question: 'When did evil enter Hitler's soul?' And it provides an unequivocal answer: at the moment of conception.

This, of course, is a dotty idea. For a start, the use of the word evil - which is associated with the occult and the Devil - is pure laziness because evil implies conduct that is so bad we can never explain it.

But more importantly, Mailer's novel does raise the issue of whether Hitler was predisposed at birth to be a genocidal tyrant.

Or to put it another way, whether people can be born bad - whether it is inevitable that some individuals will turn out to be murderers or rapists or bullies or thieves and there is nothing that can be done about it.

Coincidentally, a so-called scientific study from the University of Virginia this week reached the conclusion that children may be 'born to be bad'.

But I believe this conclusion to be completely misguided. And I come to this conclusion having spent a lifetime studying truly bad people - I wrote the biography of the north London mass murderer Dennis Nilsen, for example, and came to know him well.

Virginia's experts in human genetics would have us believe that character defects such as criminal behaviour, the desire to bully others and the necessity to tell lies despite all evidence that one has been rumbled are tied up in our DNA.

They have little or nothing to do with influences that may bombard us in our infancy.

Thus, there is precious little virtue in trying to be a good child, because the programming of your personality has decided in advance that you can't win.

Forget about the soul. It's all to do with the ingredients that were thrown in by your parents, and by theirs, and so on ad infinitum. The result is a soup which cannot be unmixed.

Scientists seem to have spent the best part of a century gleefully promoting this idea and repudiating the Romantic notion of the 18th-century philosopher Jean-Jacques Rousseau that 'there is absolutely no fundamental perversity in the human heart', and that all bad behaviour is the result of society itself.

Today, experts appear to take a perverse pleasure in making sure we know how irredeemably wicked we are. This week's research is just the latest in a long line of simple-minded foolishness.

It is wrong because it confuses two separate categories of inquiry. One is whether children have a predisposition to behave badly; the other is why they behave badly, which is not at all the same thing.

Of course, a child inherits traits of personality from its parents. It also learns much of its behaviour from its parents. These facts are undeniable, and manifested every day in ordinary observation.

We have all encountered terrible parents who spend all their energies in berating their offspring, shouting, forbidding, chastising, screaming their own frustrations with spitting mouths and glaring eyes at infants who are at first bewildered, and subsequently adopt the same negative behaviour patterns as their only way of dealing with the world.

It is no wonder they bully in the playground and attack their peers, physically, violently, as well as verbally. The genes have predisposed them to angry behaviour and the way they have been treated by their parents has encouraged it. They seem trapped.

Yet not all of them succumb to this hideous imprisonment - and this is why the scientists are fundamentally wrong. Some children break free and evolve, in contradiction to the supposed predisposition that should, say the scientists, warp their soul.

In other words, the predisposition may be there; it is what you do about it that makes the difference. The fact that one child may turn into a bully or become a criminal and another not remains a tantalising mystery, and one that scientists cannot possibly explain in simple terms of DNA.

That is why it is the subject of much of our drama, from the ancient Greek theatre to today. And not only drama, but real incident as well.

Consider the case of Gary Gilmore - the American murderer who killed a hotel clerk in Utah, then killed a student the following night, and was fatally shot himself a year later by a firing squad - which was chronicled by Norman Mailer in his 1979 book The Executioner's Song.

Gilmore had a brother, Frank, who turned out to be as peaceable and inoffensive in character as Gary was violent and destructive.

Their mother, Bessie, was perplexed, for she brought them up together. 'One son picked up the gun,' she said. 'The other did not pick up the gun. Why?' Nobody has been able to offer her a fully-inclusive answer. Similarly, Jeffrey Dahmer in Milwaukee strangled and dismembered 17 men between 1978 and 1991. Much was made of his upbringing by a self- obsessed mother and largely absent father.

He inherited their lack of human warmth and inability to empathise and see the world through eyes other than their own. He was dangerously disconnected from humankind.

But he, too, had a brother, David, who never did anyone any harm and who now lives quietly under another name. David had the same parents, the same start in life and carried the same cartload of genes and DNA as his brother.

It is how the child learns to manage his inheritance that matters, how to shape it and restrict it when necessary.

Dahmer, paradoxically, did make an effort, and spent many years grappling with the murderous monster within, of which he was all too aware. But he lost the battle.

Others, like mass murderers Frederick West and Dennis Nilsen, never tried, because they did not realise that it mattered - they were, like the engineer of the Nazis' Final Solution, Adolf Eichmann, morally blind.

Nobody would pretend that it is easy to behave well, or that the influence of genes is negligible. It requires struggle.

Vice is the easy option, whereas virtue denotes difficulty and sweat. As the great Roman philosopher and dramatist Seneca wrote: 'Nature does not give a man virtue, the process of becoming a good man is an art.'

The art is in using one's genetic inheritance to advantage. People such as the scholars responsible for this latest study get mixed up between aggression and hostility.

For example, if a child inherits the aggressive gene, he might transform it into ambition and enterprise, leadership, artistic creation, love, self-fulfilment, all beneficent in outcome.

On the other hand, another child with the same genetic disposition to aggression might become a hooligan.

It is often said that Beethoven, remote, sullen, morose, superior, driven, might have become a dangerous psychopath if he hadn't written music.

Norman Mailer's suggestion that Hitler was evil at the moment of conception may be his attempt to explain conduct so bad that it defies comprehension.

But in reality, it is a ridiculous notion that, if taken seriously, excuses the behaviour of perhaps the most appalling individual in history.


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KEYWORDS: everyoneisbornevil; evil; hitler; sin
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To: Gay State Conservative
I guess the question would be "How sociopathic?" Just like there's various degrees of depression from mild to severe.

I was just talking about the fact that not all kids with Reactive Attachment Disorder will grow up to be Jeffrey Doemer (sp?) or Charles Manson. :(

61 posted on 02/07/2007 9:47:48 AM PST by Texas_shutterbug
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To: Mr. Jeeves
The notion that people are born evil is nonsense. Evil behavior stems from fear - and the only fears we are born with are the fear of falling and the fear of loud noises. Everything else is learned.

The notion that people are born evil is nonsense, is among other things, a Marxist notion, and completely foreign to predominantly Biblical world-view of those who created this Nation.

Cordially,

62 posted on 02/07/2007 9:52:49 AM PST by Diamond
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To: DreamsofPolycarp
The sad thing is that today no one has read "Human nature in its fourfold state" (Boston) or Calvin's "Institutes of the Christian Religion" or Jonathan Edwards, or Luther's "Bondage of the Will" or ANY of the classical works that deal with the effects of fallenness and sin on the human soul. As a result, we have a secular society which is genuinely perplexed over what is clearly evil, yet it has no grounds for classifying it as such.

Great post. Beautifully said.

With regard to the role of Calvinism in the formation of this country:

All this has been thoroughly understood and candidly acknowledged by such penetrating and philosophic historians as Bancroft, who far though he was from being Calvinistic in his own personal convictions, simply calls Calvin "the father of America," and adds: "He who will not honor the memory and respect the influence of Calvin knows but little of the origin of American liberty."
Calvinism in America
By Loraine Boettner

It's not a coincidence that the further we get from the Biblical view of human nature, the closer we sink to socialism and the resultant loss of liberty.

Cordially,

63 posted on 02/07/2007 10:11:02 AM PST by Diamond
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To: Mr. Jeeves
Evil behavior stems from fear

Huh?

A thief steals things not because of a fear motivator, but because of a greed motivator: it's there, he wants it, he takes it - despite any fears of being caught.

Ditto for a host of other evils.

Sometimes the motivator may indeed be fear, but usually the behavior is like anything else: done because it is a means to an end ... just that for evil behavior, that the means may harm someone is discounted.

If anything, evil stems from a lack of fear. Small children will steal, hurt, break, lie, etc. - with absolutely no sense of fear, and no care, because they don't know better. That they "don't know" doesn't justify or excuse the behavior. In adults, the same behavior stems from equivalent don't know & don't care.

64 posted on 02/07/2007 10:39:55 AM PST by ctdonath2 (The color blue tastes like the square root of 0?)
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To: gobucks
No, people aren't "born evil" BUT they do inherit tendencies from their parents. A watchful parent strives to bring out the BEST in the child and lead them in the right direction.

As the saying goes, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree but that doesn't mean the apple HAS to be rotten. In other words, you can MOLD a child's will one way or the other.
65 posted on 02/07/2007 11:39:14 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
"Evil behavior stems from fear..."

A lot of us would say it stems from sin. I can think of no justification at all for the idea that it stems from fear.

66 posted on 02/07/2007 11:39:14 AM PST by Irene Adler (')
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To: DreamsofPolycarp

Very interesting statement of the problem. I think when people such as I say 'free will', we are saying we do have a choice in how we respond to the gospel (accept or reject). Otherwise, I think Romans is very clear in that either way, we are slaves, either to righteousness or to wickedness.

Good post.


67 posted on 02/07/2007 11:42:54 AM PST by fatez
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To: ctdonath2; Irene Adler
A thief steals things not because of a fear motivator, but because of a greed motivator: it's there, he wants it, he takes it - despite any fears of being caught.

He's afraid of not measuring up the expectations of others, or he's afraid he'll never have the lifestyle he sees on TV unless he takes it from someone else, or he's afraid he won't have enough money for his next fix or his next meal. Greed is a fear-based emotion.

The kids are afraid they won't get any love or attention so they force the issue by misbehaving. Brattiness is a fear-based emotion.

Every murderer on death row is there because, down in the depths of his soul, something scared him so much that killing seemed like the only escape. Even serial killers of women are terrified of women on some level, and seek to exterminate what they are afraid of.

There is only love and fear - everything else is a derivative of one of those two.

68 posted on 02/07/2007 1:05:02 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("When the government is invasive, the people are wanting." -- Tao Te Ching)
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To: Texas_shutterbug
What is the "Reactive Attachment Disorder" you speak of?

Is it why girls from single-parent (no dad) homes tend to get pregnant out of wedlock at a higher rate than their 2-parent peers?

69 posted on 02/07/2007 1:19:25 PM PST by -=SoylentSquirrel=- (Gosh, some people are SOOOO insensitive. Me, for example.)
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To: gobucks

"Are some people born evil?"

Normal Mailer was, I believe.


70 posted on 02/07/2007 1:40:04 PM PST by gcruse (http://garycruse.blogspot.com/)
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To: cripplecreek

I just wonder if it is a case of "but for the Grace of God, there go I". If I was put in the situation would I have done what they did? I'd like to think that you couldn't MAKE me be that awful.


71 posted on 02/07/2007 3:15:06 PM PST by tiki
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To: PzLdr

Hmmm, most of the atheists I know are very well educated and think they are smarter than the sheeple who believe in
God.


72 posted on 02/07/2007 3:19:34 PM PST by tiki
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To: PzLdr

Very interesting info .... given that you have this level of detail squirrled away, I have a question:

I have read accounts which argue emphatically that a significant core of the original nazi party leadership was overtly homosexual, in the pederasty sense, especially the leaders of the precursors of the SS and Gestapo.

Does this ring a bell with you?


73 posted on 02/07/2007 3:21:02 PM PST by gobucks (Blissful Marriage: A result of a worldly husband's transformation into the Word's wife.)
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To: weegee

74 posted on 02/07/2007 3:22:52 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: fatez
You are too kind. My response to a person who says that we "have a choice" as a definition of "free will" is to agree that we have a choice, but insist that we ALWAYS choose according to (as Edwards pointed out in his great great tract on the will) what the primary MOTIVATOR of our hearts is. We choose according to what appears to us to be "best" for us, and what is the most appealing. In that, man left to himself is completely unable and unwilling to choose grace, because we are dead in our sin. We cannot and will not choose God and His mercy extended to us in the gospel. We are "dead in our trespasses and sins" and cannot see the light of the glory of the gospel. Waving about the beauty of Christ and the wonderful love of God is like waving a juicy steak in front of a dog who is lying dead on the interstate. We are unable to choose because we, by nature, hate God.

That is why GRACE is so phenomenally beautiful. We will not and do not respond to the overtures of God until he regenerates us (makes us alive). When that new life comes, then we freely and happily choose, because our eyes are opened and we see what we did not see before. This means that even our very act of choosing is a gift, and faith itself is also a gift, and that salvation is from God from first to last. Man centered theology insists that we are not REALLY that bad off, and that we do have the ability to choose (we are not dead, just really really sick), and that regeneration follows faith (we believe, and then are reborn). Although I would not insist on a sequence of events IN TIME (regeneration and faith may be so close together as to be indistinguishable in time), I will insist that regeneration precedes faith. Otherwise, we "save ourselves," in that we "do" something that the unregenerate do not do, and we share the glory for our own redemption. Furthermore, we begin to organize our church around programs and plans, rather than asking God work, as we are helpless to make anything happen.

The most powerful incentive for me to declare the gospel to my friends and family is the realization that God can sovereignly regenerate ANYONE, no matter how full of hate and wickedness. It is also the most powerful prod to pray for the fools of our generation who have no idea where all the evil in our world comes from. Finally, it is the only motivator I can think of that causes me to pray that God will, once again, pour out his goodness on a dying culture. May it start with me.

Thanks for putting up with a rather long rant.

75 posted on 02/07/2007 3:30:26 PM PST by DreamsofPolycarp
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To: gobucks
Homosexuality in the SS was punishable by death. On the other hand, the SA [Sturmabteilung] was riddled with homosexuality, from Ernst Roehm down though the senior ranks [Edmund Heines], to Roehm's staff - and Hitler knew , and ignored it - as long as the SA served his purposes.

Roehm and the boys were bumped off because they kept yelling about the "Second Revolution", and Roehm publicly announced he wanted to consolidate the German Army and SA into a defense corps - with himself as chief. His head was the price the German Army demanded for first accommodating themselves to the Hitler regime [they provided the SS with weapons and trucks for the "Night of the Long Knives"], and then swearing personal loyalty to Hitler.

What the Army didn't see was that by colluding with the Nazis to get rid of the SA, they cleared the way for the SS [at the time a subordinate formation of the SA] to become their rival, and the most powerful faction in Nazi Germany.
76 posted on 02/07/2007 8:23:50 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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