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To: Paladin2
As long as you leave a margin so as not to cross the line on a red, I don't see where that can possibly be illegal...

From a technical perspective, yeah, it shouldn't be a problem, but in practice, there are some situations that arise wherein it could be a very big problem:
-- You're timing and someone in cross traffic blows the light at the same time, so you t-bone them or they t-bone you.
-- You're timing and emergency traffic trips the preemptor so your light unexpectedly stays red forcing you to drop anchor -- hard -- at the last instant.

You may well be right about the legality in your state, and it may or may not be different across the country, so I'll conceded that point unless/until I find hard data to the contrary.

I think everyone does the "timing" thing to some extent, and it's actually prtty smart if done conservatively as a means to avoid excess braking and accelerating, so we agree there. If there's any aspect of the practice that might be illegal, it would be the case where someone's crossing the limit line at or above the posted limit just as the light goes green, and it would only be illegal owing to the elevated risk that such a vehicle would be exposed to a substantively elevated risk of getting t-boned by inattentive cross trafffic blowing their red light.

110 posted on 02/06/2007 11:51:07 AM PST by HKMk23 (No view is admirable or infernal but that the root principle makes it so.)
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To: HKMk23
I think everyone does the "timing" thing to some extent, and it's actually prtty smart if done conservatively as a means to avoid excess braking and accelerating, so we agree there. If there's any aspect of the practice that might be illegal, it would be the case where someone's crossing the limit line at or above the posted limit just as the light goes green, and it would only be illegal owing to the elevated risk that such a vehicle would be exposed to a substantively elevated risk of getting t-boned by inattentive cross trafffic blowing their red light.

If I were a cop with a radar and video camera, and were interested in ticketing dangerous motorists, I would issue tickets to motorists who, at any time while the light was red or there was traffic in the intersection that did not have enough momentum to clear it, would not have been able to stop safely before the intersection had the light remained red or the motorists therein not gotten clear. I'd be fairly nice and assume motorists were capable of 1.5g braking (which is pretty hard).

The safe way to time a light is to slow down enough that when the light is expected to turn green you'll still be far enough away from the intersection when the light is expected to turn green that you'll still be able to stop if for whatever reason it does not.

117 posted on 02/06/2007 3:50:04 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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