It's Bush's fault. Bush and those damned SUVs. Women and minorities will be hardest hit.
Posted on 02/05/2007 11:56:37 AM PST by Reaganesque
Good point. And the current debate seems to combine these two quite separate questions into a single scientific question.
As such, a positive answer to #1 will automatically lead to a conclusion that human activity is to blame. Not very good science, in other words, even if human activities form a component of the warming.
Global warming is a great example of science being used for political or other ends, and scientists playing along with it.
There is a corollary activity that should also be noted:
4) Demonize and marginalize those in the field who disagree or contend with your "findings"...
I don't think at this point that any serious and even minimally informed individual is going to dispute that the answer to #1 is "Yes". The warming that has occurred within roughly the last 100 years is proven without a doubt.
As far as #2 goes, that's another matter altogether.
BUMP!
I agree completely. This is a power grab by the Socialists of the world who are resentful of the US's prominence. In their minds, they are better human beings, they're smarter, they have better intentions therefore, they should be the dominant political system in the world. Having the US powerful was OK so long as the Soviet Union existed. Now that it doesn't, the Socialists feel the need to knock us off our pedestal. They couldn't care less about the environment. They just want power and this is the tool they have chosen to use to get it.
The scientific method says nothing about how you come up with a theory or hypothesis. You can use taro cards and still follow the scientific method. What is important is that you devise and carry out a proper experiment. Good scientists often have an intuitive knack for insights into bad results but good luck getting confirming results from those taro card theories.
Rejection of Authority was never a rule in science, although it may have been your teacher's way saying we shouldn't mindlessly heed authority. In the ideal world, science should neither reject nor embrace authority, but proceed with complete neutrality.
Interesting. You've just described what lawyers do.
I never thought about it this way before, but you could say that the global warming hysteria is what you get when you allow lawyers to pose as scientists.
Yes, the Earth has been getting warmer since the 17th century. Before that it got colder for about 500 years, before that it got warmer for about 400 years, before that it got colder, etc.
2. What is the cause of it?
The Sun.
Actually, there are three more, all of which are probably more important than the first two:
3. If it's taking place, what will be the net results? (could be bad, but could also be good)
4. Are we capable of significantly influencing those results positively? (some people don't seem to comprehend that the answer could be "no")
5. If so, would it be worth it to do so? (it's possible that there's a global warming/climate change in store for us, that it would be bad, and that we could influence it positively, but it would simply cost more than it's worth to do so. Another possibility lost on many people.)
"It's not my carbon dioxide (car)."
Don't clowd the issue.
If your house was flooded, you wouldn't ask what the water was or where it came from, would you?
The real point here is that no one has a solution to remove the excess CO2 and only add back the right amount; yet they want to run the show at our cost.
yeah... but I don't FEEL like this is correct.
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LOL! I FEEL your concern!
Agree with your post. Also, most arguments seem to posit that this GW is going to impact us like a tsunami when in reality it is a long and slow process and we as humans will adapt to the slowly changing conditions. E.g., the fact that there were vineyards in England during the midevial warm period. For crying out loud, if it gets warmer that is not such a bad thing. We adapt, until it starts getting colder again as it has over the ages.
But it is interesting that published experiments rarely reveal the entire story about how progress is made in science. You need to rely on biographies and autobiographies to get real insight into how some of the great minds of science worked out a problem and devised experiments. If you just looked at the published articles you sometimes ask yourself how a certain scientist could have had such great insight, when in fact they sometimes worked outside of the rules. Only when they understood the principles involved did they come back and devise the correct experiment. And sometimes even then that didn't work. It is sometimes troubling for someone not working in the field of science to learn that scientists throw out the outlier data based on any legitimate excuse in order to achieve a statistically significant result.
It's Bush's fault. Bush and those damned SUVs. Women and minorities will be hardest hit.
As long as it is well outside the bounds of the majority of the data and is statistically insignificant, this is valid. The danger is that sometimes significant amounts of data lie outside the expected range. That is not legitimate to ignore. Any scientific paper which ignores "outlier" data should indicate that this was done and why.
1. Is global warming taking place?
2. What is the cause of it?
3. What are you going to do about it?
Everyone who believes that global warming is happening and evil cars and industry are the cause of it:
1. Get out of your car and make it into a planter.
2. Quit your job if it encourages industry.
C'mon, lets not just TALK about it and force me into doing something, get out there and LEAD.
Your assuming that we have excess CO2 and need to decrease.
If you can give me daily CO2 readings for the last 2 billion years, then we can make a determination if CO2 levels are high, low or part of a cycle.
If your house is flooded, you should ask where it came from. Is it raining? If no is the answer, you probably have a water coming from your own pipes and need to turn the water off.
If the flooding if coming from rain, there isn't much you can do until it stops.
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