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IT'S NOW A RUDY ROMP (Beating McCain 3-1)
NY Post ^ | February 5, 2007

Posted on 02/05/2007 7:08:16 AM PST by Mr. Brightside

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To: ClarenceThomasfan
"That's a good plan. Vote with your heart in the primary and vote with your head in the general. "

Excellent advice. This last year, too many folks had that reversed. In the primaries, they didn't make a fuss about candidates they didn't want, and in November they voted out the pimpled slackers and enthroned the devil with a blue dress on.

OK, "devil" may be a bit over the top, but you get the drift.

141 posted on 02/05/2007 12:00:53 PM PST by cookcounty (Question about the Democrats' Iraq Plan: "Is that a blank sheet of paper or a white flag?")
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To: freeperfromnj
"Take a good look at the Republican House and Senate. It is pretty much comprised of wimps and rhinos"

There's a very good reason why there have been only 2 Senators elected President in the last 100 years. The Presidency requires some level of leadership and statesmanship, and while Senators are very good at "dressing for success" the fact is, it's an exclusive club of conivers and horse-traders and posturing hair-splitters.

Despite the fine wood-paneled offices, "Senator" and "Statesman" are mutally exclusive terms.

142 posted on 02/05/2007 12:09:15 PM PST by cookcounty (Question about the Democrats' Iraq Plan: "Is that a blank sheet of paper or a white flag?")
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To: Mr. Brightside; TommyDale
This north east NYC liberal poseur is running for the WRONG party...


Conservative Case Against Rudy Giuliani

Rudy's Strong Pro-Abortion Stance

"I've said that I'll uphold a woman's right of choice, that I will fund abortion so that a poor woman is not deprived of a right that others can exercise, and that I would oppose going back to a day in which abortions were illegal. ~~ my daughter or any other woman - would be that in this particular circumstance [if she had] to have an abortion, I'd support that. I'd give my daughter the money for it."

"I'm pro-choice. I'm pro-gay rights,Giuliani said. He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. "No, I have not supported that, and I don't see my position on that changing"

An Anti-Second Amendment Candidate
Unfortunately, Rudy Giuliani is a proponent of gun control who supported the Brady Bill and the Assault Weapon Ban. (see below for more)
Soft on Gay Marriage
Rudy, like John Kerry, ...supports civil unions, "marched in gay-pride parades ... dressed up in drag ... and moved in with a) wealthy gay couple" after his divorce. He also very vocally opposed running on a gay marriage amendment:
"I don't think you should run a campaign on this issue," he told the Daily News earlier this month. "I think it would be a mistake for anybody to run a campaign on it -- the Democrats, the president, or anybody else."
Pro-Illegal Immigration
Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that ... Ted Kennedy ..and Harry Reid have championed:

Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that ... his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But ..under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."
If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.
A More Charismatic Version of Arlen Specter
"The National Journal’s rating system put him at 56 percent conservative and 44 percent liberal on economic issues in 1996 and assessed him as liberal by 59 to 40 percent in looking at his social issues votes."

Some ask, How can the Liberal Party support a candidate who disagrees with the Liberal Party position on so many gut issues? But ... we found that Rudy Giuliani agreed with the Liberal Party's stance on a majority of such issues. He agreed with the Liberal Party's views on affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, school prayer and tuition tax credits. As Mayor, Rudy Giuliani would uphold the Constitutional and legal rights to abortion.

Mr. Rockefeller represented "a tradition in the Republican Party I've worked hard to re-kindle - the Rockefeller, Javits, Lefkowitz tradition."

"Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, [Giuliani] told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." The Daily News quoted [Giuliani] as saying that March: "Whether you talk about President Clinton, Senator Dole.... The country would be in very good hands in the hands of any of that group."

Revealing at one point that he was "open" to the idea of endorsing Clinton, he explained: "When I ran for mayor both times, '89 and '93, I promised people that I would be, if not bipartisan, at least open to the possibility of supporting Democrats."

"Our future, our destiny is not a matter of chance. It's a matter of choice. My choice is Mario Cuomo."

Rudy Giuliani was a McGovern Democrat, he was endorsed by the Liberal Party when he ran for Mayor. In his heart, he's a Democrat. He's paraded all over this country with Bill Clinton and, in fact, he's very comfortable with Mario Cuomo. But what Rudy Giuliani wants is to be bailed out in the city, in the mess he's in, and everybody understands very clearly in politics that they struck a deal, that Mario's going to continue to be the big spender, save Rudy the options of raising taxes by pouring money statewide into the City of New York and bailing it out.

Does this really sound like the sort of candidate we want as a standard bearer for the Republican Party?
He Can't Keep His Pants Up

There has only been one man who has ever made it to the White House after being divorced and that was Ronald Reagan, who had been married to Nancy for more than 25 years before his campaign in 1980. Rudy, on the other hand, is on his third wife.

Furthermore, his second divorce from Donna Hanover was extremely ugly. Hanover accused Rudy of "open and notorious adultery." She also claimed Rudy had an affair with a staffer, Christyne Lategano-Nicholas, which both Giuliani and Lategano-Nicholas denied. However, Rudy has acknowledged that he started seeing his current wife, Judith Nathan, before his divorce from Hanover was finalized in 2002.

Given how recent this divorce was, Rudy's adultery, and the fact that he married, "the other woman," the press can be expected to cover Rudy's marriage to Hanover exhaustively if he gets the nomination and needless to say, Rudy, quite deservedly, will not come off very well.


The Illegal-Alien Crime Wave
By Heather MacDonald, City Journal, January 14, 2004 (FrontPageMag.com)

Rudy Tough on Crime & Terror, HA!

~~~snip~~~

Immigration politics have similarly harmed New York. Former mayor Rudolph Giuliani sued all the way up to the Supreme Court to defend the city’s sanctuary policy against a 1996 federal law decreeing that cities could not prohibit their employees from cooperating with the INS. Oh yeah? said Giuliani; just watch me. The INS, he claimed, with what turned out to be grotesque irony, only aims to “terrorize people.” Though he lost in court, he remained defiant to the end. On September 5, 2001, his handpicked charter-revision committee ruled that New York could still require that its employees keep immigration information confidential to preserve trust between immigrants and government. Six days later, several visa-overstayers participated in the most devastating attack on the city and the country in history.

New York conveniently forgot the 1996 federal ban on sanctuary laws until a gang of five Mexicans—four of them illegal—abducted and brutally raped a 42-year-old mother of two near some railroad tracks in Queens. The NYPD had already arrested three of the illegal aliens numerous times for such crimes as assault, attempted robbery, criminal trespass, illegal gun possession, and drug offenses. The department had never notified the INS.


Rudy Giuliani announces lawsuit against gun companies (You Tube)
Rudy SUES 24 Gun Makers!!


He's a disgrace.
And I'm sorry but any FReeper backing him should hang their head in shame. The Free Republic is still about GRASS ROOTS CONSERVATISM and conservative ideals. At least it was the last time I checked the Home Page anyway. Rooting for a liberal is beyond the pale.

(btw, I see Rudy has filed his papers today. I wonder if he STILL left party affiliation BLANK!!!!)

ps: If Hillary put an "R" after her name would the FR Liberal Brigade jump on HER bandwagon? After all she can 'win' and there's that "R" that so many seemed concerned about!

NOT sarcasm

143 posted on 02/05/2007 12:36:59 PM PST by Condor51 (Where's Attila The Hun when you need him? [sit down Rudy. You &$% undeclared 'republican'])
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To: jla

Why post this photo?

Do you REALLY think the pro-abortion crowd will be supporting Rudy over Hillary? Honestly? Even though Rudy has said -- and I believe him -- that Alito and Roberts are excellent Supreme Court justices??

Or perhaps that's NOT what you're suggesting.


144 posted on 02/05/2007 12:39:54 PM PST by Gunder
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To: freeperfromnj

WOO-HOOOOOOOOO!

Rudy in '08, baby!


145 posted on 02/05/2007 12:42:21 PM PST by Gunder
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To: samtheman

Interesting point. I too will support Rudy but I would love him to pick a good solid conserv as VP choice. A Hunter, Santorum, Huckabee and even Newt. That might be some baggage but the South would support Newt and Huckabee. Rudy could win NJ, Pa. and if he could keep the South, he will beat Her Highness.


146 posted on 02/05/2007 1:48:16 PM PST by phillyfanatic
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To: Mr. Brightside
I wish the former mayor well in his bid for the democratic party presidential candidacy.
147 posted on 02/05/2007 2:47:51 PM PST by samm1148 (Pennsylvania-They haven't taxed air--yet)
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To: Mr. Brightside

You'll see numbers like this until Hunter gets his sea legs.


148 posted on 02/05/2007 4:07:30 PM PST by pissant
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To: Condor51

Stop confusing us with the facts about Rudy.

Don't you realize that he is a 9-11 hero? /sarc

>>> The Free Republic is still about GRASS ROOTS CONSERVATISM and conservative ideals. At least it was the last time I checked the Home Page anyway. Rooting for a liberal is beyond the pale. <<<

Could not have said it better myself. Rudy is worse that McCain. At least 'the backstabber from Arizona' is not pro-abortion, pro-gay rights and anti-2nd Amendment.


149 posted on 02/05/2007 4:24:41 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: freeperfromnj

Hey jersey. What EXIT?


150 posted on 02/05/2007 6:17:26 PM PST by JOE6PAK (blithering intellectual.)
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To: HitmanLV

Interesting, thanks.


151 posted on 02/05/2007 7:25:10 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Mia T

Given up "doctrinal purity" already? Willing to settle at this point in the "choose a horse parade?" I submit you'll settle for anyone.


152 posted on 02/06/2007 12:22:01 AM PST by jwh_Denver ("Planet of the Apes" happened because people wouldn't proof read their posts.)
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To: Peach

Agreed.

McLame would be more a disaster for the continuing health of the Republican Party than anybody else I can think of.


153 posted on 02/06/2007 12:18:52 PM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys

Good to "see" you, AFPhys.


154 posted on 02/06/2007 12:26:23 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they captured or killed.)
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