Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: DTA; ninenot; sittnick; bornacatholic; Tax-chick; Convert from ECUSA; AnAmericanMother; ...
DTA:

1. Baloney!

2. Alois Cardinal Stepinac was actually tried by Tito's Communist "Yugoslavian" government on these spurious charges and found innocent, was he not?

3. If all that Pius XII did was save Catholics, please explain Golda Meir's eulogy of Pius XII at the UN, Israeli diplomat Pinchas Lapide's written work in his support, and Oxford historian (and Jewish intellectual) Benjamin Martin's many works on the subject all of which credit Pope Pius XII with saving nearly 1 million Jews and Albert Einstein's tribute to Pius XII and the Church as the only force in Europe raised to save the Jews, and Chief Rabbi of Rome Israel Zolli converting to Roman Catholicism AFTER the war and taking as his baptismal name Eugenio (Pius XII's baptismal name) while making public testimony to what he had observed personally of Pius XII's heroic defense of and interventions on behalf of the Jewish residents of Rome. Raoul Wallenberg, the Swedish diplomat and non-Catholic made significant efforts to save many Jews and was murdered for his efforts by the same soviet union that instigated the smears against Pius XII and the Roman Catholic Church.

4. Those interested in the truth ought to review the brilliant 180-page annotated bibliography of these controversies by William Doino, Jr., which makes up nearly 2/3 of a relatively recent book (2003 or so) called The Pius Wars.

5. The free world and humanity generally are better off by far because of the early death from kidney failure of Yuri Andropov soviet general secretary and former KGB boss (whose second in command of KGB was Mikhail Gorbachev) who paid for Muhammed Ali Agca's attempted assassination of John Paul II and personal assassin of the Hungarian anti-soviet revolutionaries in 1956.

6. There was a centrist political party in Germany in about 1933 which was identified as Catholic and caved before Hitler's political power and potential to harm them individually but that party should not be confused with the German Catholic Church itself much less with the Vatican or Pope Pius XII. Cardinal Faulhaber (the Lion of Munich) and many other Catholic hierarchs publicly defied Hitler and the Nazis.

7. George Will once wrote that the Balkans had produced the assassination of Franz Ferdinand and triggered World War I but had also produced much, much more in the way of tragedy over the centuries than could be consumed by the residents of the Balkans themselves. That there are bloody intramural wars waged among the Serbs, the Croats, the Bosnians, the Herzogovinians, and the Montenegrans is an historical given. That anyone outside the Balkans cares to share the self-inflicted misery of the Balkans and their residents is NOT a given. One suspects that it is the internecine strife of the Balkans coupled with the fact that Croatia, whatever its shortcomings which, in this Catholic's opinion, do not BEGIN to approximate those of Serbia, is Catholic that lead you to make this sorry attempt to blacken the reputations of Pius XII and Alois Cardinal Stepinac. If you want to serve the soviet libel factory, that is your business but you have chosen a strange venue to regurgitate communist lies.

8. Pius XII's Roman Catholic Church maintained an underground railroad from Central Europe westward through Franco Spain thence to Spanish Morocco and North Africa and wherever thereafter to bring Jews out of Europe from under Hitler's nose. The Chassidic Jewish Reichmann/Gestetner family of postwar Montreal who owned the Olympia and York construction contracting firm came out of Hungary through that route as did hundreds of thousands of others.

9. Apparently you want to read into what you claim to have been Vatican action to send a Croatian dictator to postwar Argentina some suggestion of Nazi sympathy. Pius XII's Vatican, at his express orders, also saved atheist communists from "Yugoslavia" by hiding them in the Vatican from the Nazis. Hiding communists did not make Pius a communist. Assisting Pavlic would not make Pius a nazi. As to making Alois Cardinal Stepinac a cardinal, you are going to be really angry when Stepinac is canonized in spite of the smokescreen of soviet lies against him.

10. Are you Serbian or is your ancestry among the other little anti-Catholic tyrannies that abound in the Balkans? I can sympathize with anyone in the Balkans who suffered under Tito or under what amounted to Nazi satellite governments. I can respect the Orthodox Churches which have such great similarities to the Catholic Church, have the Mass, have all of the sacraments and have apostolic succession. I cannot sympathize with the relentless campaign of lies against Pope Pius XII. Nor can I sympathize with the poisonous nationalisms of the Balkans (any of them) which have worked such evils dishonestly attributing those evils to the Roman Catholic Church or to the Orthodox Church. I eagerly await the canonization of Pope Pius XII, raising him to the honors of the altar, which is very long overdue.

11. Finally, the Roman Catholic Church is a Church and is headquartered in the Vatican. The pope of any given time is the head of that Church, the Vicar of Christ on Earth. The Vatican City is also a national government with the pope of any given time as its monarch. As a government, the Vatican takes up secular responsibilities in addition to its obvious religious functions. The Vatican used its accredited diplomatic corps to facilitate the escape of Jews (among others) from nazi clutches. It used its legal authority to crate passports. It used its ability to accept new people as Vatican citizens. It used Vatican radio and L'Osservatore Romano, its newspaper, to combat naziism and communism. The Vatican has a secret service and maintains intelligence networks. Ask any former soviet stooge, if you know any, what role John Paul II's Vatican played (along with Reagan and Thatcher) in bringing down the Iron Curtain and the soviet union itself a scant eight years after Andropov ordered him killed.

12. Hitler was utterly incapable of bringing the Roman Catholic Church to an end. Jesus Christ founded the Roman Catholic Church and guaranteed to be with it to the very end. The Roman Catholic Church has buried the overwhelming majority of its enemies. The rest will follow by the end. Note that neither the Roman Empire, nor the third reich nor the soviet union are any longer among the existing regimes on earth. It was in all the bibles.

84 posted on 02/06/2007 11:13:24 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies ]


To: BlackElk
>>>>>>Jesus Christ founded the Roman Catholic Church and guaranteed to be with it to the very end. <<<<<<

Roman Catholic Church in A.D. 29? You have been misinformed.

From Catholic Encyclopedia about the early Church

For a thousand years the Church was one. Five historic Patriarchal centers Jerusalem, Antioch, Rome, Alexandria, and Constantinople formed a cohesive whole and were in full communion with each other.

If you freely interpret the basic historical facts known to all mankind for two millenia, I am not at all surprised with your interpretation of little known facts about genocide in Croatia.

The history of The Church is established fact.

111 posted on 02/06/2007 1:37:42 PM PST by DTA (Mr. President, Condy is asleep at the wheel !!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies ]

To: BlackElk
The rest will follow by the end. Note that neither the Roman Empire, nor the third reich nor the soviet union are any longer among the existing regimes on earth. It was in all the bibles.

Nor the Holy Roman Empire, the First French Republic, the Napoleonic empire, the Ottoman Empire, or any of the other great states and trans-national empires which have attempted to destroy the Catholic Church at one time or another.
114 posted on 02/06/2007 1:52:22 PM PST by Antoninus ( Who is Duncan Hunter? Find out....www.gohunter08.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies ]

To: BlackElk; sitetest
Black Elk, you magnificent bastard. You are an absolute F R treasure; a delight to read and filled with knowledge and wisdom.

Woe betide the superficial crank who decides to undertake intellectual suicide by locking horns with you.

KUDOS, brother. I am copying and pasting and emailing this out to me family.

You know, I think your attitude about that part of the world is one reason you are never invited over to share bad wine with Tom Fleming :)

123 posted on 02/06/2007 2:26:54 PM PST by bornacatholic (I am the Catholic Cassius Clay)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 84 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson