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Achieving Socially Conservative Ideals Through Liberal Means: Making The Case for Rudy (2008)
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| February 4, 2007
| D.M. Eaton
Posted on 02/04/2007 11:08:45 AM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: AntiGuv; EternalVigilance
So after 180 AD, the Roman Empire was at once degaying and decaying?
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:08:14 PM PST
by
Torie
(The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
To: AntiGuv
During the Republic, homosexuals were barely tolerated. To be "greek" was a bad thing.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:08:44 PM PST
by
narses
("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
To: Torie
Glad to be of assistance! ;-)
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:09:43 PM PST
by
sitetest
(If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
To: Torie
Rome lasted almost 900 years before they embraced 'gaydom', Rome was sacked about 200 years later.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:10:49 PM PST
by
narses
("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
To: sitetest
I never took cognizance of the gay gene or other "bad" genes with the apple before, but with your help, I'm there! Thanks again.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:11:11 PM PST
by
Torie
(The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
To: Torie
So after 180 AD, the Roman Empire was at once degaying and decaying?That's quite safe to say, yes. Sexual mores became steadily more restrictive during Late Antiquity.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:11:12 PM PST
by
AntiGuv
("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
To: narses
During the Republic, homosexuals were barely tolerated. To be "greek" was a bad thing.That's a big part of why I chose a starting date two generations after the fall of the Republic and during the height of Roman Hellenization.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:13:32 PM PST
by
AntiGuv
("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
To: narses
It is sort of like global warming. Let gayness or CO2 out of the bottle, and even as one puts it back in, it is too late. The die is cast. But hey, we got 200 years or more left per the Roman model, so it works for me.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:13:50 PM PST
by
Torie
(The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
To: freedomfiter2
The way I read the abortion decisions and the homosexuality decisions by the SCOTUS, they're saying that neither the federal government NOR the states can outlaw consensual homosexual activity or first trimester abortions.
In other words, they're saying that the people did not delegate these issues to the feds nor the states, and neither have the power to outlaw them.
Non-regulating is the exact opposite of regulating.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:16:45 PM PST
by
CobaltBlue
(Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
To: Clintonfatigued
I heard that there was a bridge in Brooklyn for sale as well...
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:18:55 PM PST
by
TradicalRC
("...this present Constitution, which will be valid henceforth, now, and forever..."-Pope St. Pius V)
To: AntiGuv
Good point. It is common among conservatives to use acceptance of homosexuality as an indicator of imminent societal destruction, with Greece and Rome as the main examples.
Unfortunately, the high points of both civilizations more or less coincided with the acceptance of homosexuality, which declined in rough parallel with the civilizations themselves.
To: Clintonfatigued
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..Here We Go Again...
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:23:37 PM PST
by
WalterSkinner
( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
To: Torie
We have the internet. It can go faster now.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:24:58 PM PST
by
narses
("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
To: narses
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:25:05 PM PST
by
CobaltBlue
(Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
To: miss marmelstein
And let's not forget the Rudy who told that pompous Saudi sheik he didn't want his $10 mil. The sheik had the gall to critique the USA post 9-11 while handing Rudy the check. It was Rudy who refused the check and basically told the sheik to go perform an unnatural act upon himself!
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:26:45 PM PST
by
Tarheel
(If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere... Rudy--2008)
To: CobaltBlue
Reading comprehension a problem? I never said they had an established church, rather a tax for the support of churches.
Five states kept state tax support of religion for many more years. The Land Ordinance of 1785 and the Northwest Ordinance both REQUIRED public lands be set aside for churches. They 'admixed' a lot.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:28:05 PM PST
by
narses
("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
To: Tarheel; miss marmelstein
Of course Rino Rudy TOOK the money from NARAL and raised money from gay groups while in drag.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:28:52 PM PST
by
narses
("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
To: hosepipe
Bush is not a Democrat. He may not be whatever you wish in a President, but he is not a Democrat.
If you think it can't get any worse, then you're an optimist.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:31:31 PM PST
by
CobaltBlue
(Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
To: narses
Reading comprehension a problem? I never said they had an established church, rather a tax for the support of churches. Oh, my, someone forgot to take their "nice" pill today.:)
Which five states are these?
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:34:45 PM PST
by
CobaltBlue
(Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
To: CobaltBlue
Sorry sweatpea, do your own research. The evidence of 'admixture' is all over the records. Even a blindman could find it.
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posted on
02/04/2007 3:43:29 PM PST
by
narses
("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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