Achieving Socially Conservative Ideals Through Liberal Means: Making The Case for Rudy (2008)

Red State ^ | February 4, 2007 | D.M. Eaton

[Clintonfatigued]

For this reason, contrary to conventional wisdom, a victory by Rudy Giuliani would strengthen even the socially conservative agenda in the long run. As the new Fox Dynamics Poll shows, 65 percent of Americans would be “comfortable” with a Rudy Giuliani administration. Being comfortable is a major step in the right direction. Americans might actually listen to him when gives the State of the Union (without a teleprompter no less, as he usually speaks with note cards or does so extemporaneously). A Giuliani administration that would focus on fighting the Islamic Extremists, reducing the size and scope of government, handling crisis, and putting strict constructionists on the bench who will interpret the law properly will draw more support from more people in the short term. This will translate to more understanding of conservative policies on other matters because individuals will have more patience to read the conservative ramblings of columnists and pundits. In the long run, as a result this will turn into more votes. As Winston Churchill is often quoted, "If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain"...

Due to the challenges facing this country, this election cycle we Republicans need to nominate someone with an actual record of accomplishment of tackling seemingly intractable problems. As George Will said on “This Week,” “His eight years as mayor of New York were the most successful episode of conservative governance in this country in the last 50 years, on welfare and crime particularly." Giuliani, more than any other candidate (Romney comes the closest) has the record of taking on major institutions and reforming them.

[EternalVigilance]

It seems to have declined in Muslim societies prior to the rise of Islamic fundamentalism.

Cite?

[Sun]

"..he has great charisma.."

That's what I'm worried about. Some Republicans like Rudy because of his charisma.

Besides being a liberal in just about every way, Rudy will NOT be strong on TERRORISM, because of his pro-ILLEGAL immigration stance:

"....But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS...."

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16762

If you run a liberal against a liberal, you will end up with a liberal.

[Torie]

But it is more than free will. We have all these genes and hormones that give us the drive to sin. Why did God do that?

[AntiGuv]

I guess you're asking me for the answer. Classical Greece obviously works, and was already noted above, but if you pick only one I'd go with Japan, since that works no matter how one defines "near", "destruction", "homosexual", or "acceptable".. However, if the initial terms are defined as a typical person would define them then certainly the Roman Empire and several Chinese dynasties work as well.

[Torie]

Your post said prior to the 20th century. I am just using your own text EV.

[EternalVigilance]

But it is more than free will. We have all these genes and hormones that give us the drive to sin. Why did God do that?

Because, it's all obviously His fault! /s

[Torie]

At what point did the Roman Empire make gayness socially acceptable? We need a Roman gay tolerance chart superimposed over a rise and fall chart. :)

[EternalVigilance]

If you run a liberal against a liberal, you will end up with a liberal.

The math is really pretty simple, isn't it.

[Torie]

Ya, that is one way to connect the dots. :)

[hosepipe]

[.. the Democrats will control Congress and the Presidency. ..]

They already do control Congress and the Presidency..
SLAP SLAP.. WAKE UP...

[sitetest]

Dear Torie,

"Is original sin saying that God wires man to sin? That does not seem Godly."

No. It means that the effect of Adam's sin is with us yet.


sitetest

[Sherman Logan]

No arguments on Newt's negatives. I've been a fan of his from before he was elected to congress, but he does have a knack for making enemies.

[Delphinium]

single issue voters.

What single issue is that?

[Sun]

I'm not even a political analyst, and I can figure that one out. :)

[Torie]

Ah, the disconnect is the apple. I forgot about that. After the apple, the image was all messed up. Excellent! The clouds clear, and the circle is squared.

[Delphinium]

.or is a litmus tester

words right out of the democrat play book.

[Sun]

From the link you provided, narses:

"Defendants named in the suit include MOST MAJOR GUN MANUFACTURERS (emphasis mine), distributors and dealers currently operating the United States, or who export large numbers of guns to the United States."

Again, MOST major gun manufacturers - I'd say it's a no-brainer that Rudy was trying to get the gun manufacturers. (a duh moment. :) )

http://www.nyc.gov/html/om/html/2000a/pr238-00.html

[AntiGuv]

The social acceptability of homosexual behavior during the Roman Empire peaked from the Julio-Claudian emperors through the demise of the Antonines (so, from roughly 15 AD - 180 AD).

[LibertarianInExile]

Hey, I personally think he's a great strategist and HE should be running the RNC. But he's no spokesman, and he's not a good candidate. Anyone who watched him lecture the nation when the GOP won Congress back should know that. Far as I can see, there ain't been a speechwriter worth a lick in the GOP since Lincoln.

[narses]

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