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Achieving Socially Conservative Ideals Through Liberal Means: Making The Case for Rudy (2008)
Red State ^ | February 4, 2007 | D.M. Eaton

Posted on 02/04/2007 11:08:45 AM PST by Clintonfatigued

For this reason, contrary to conventional wisdom, a victory by Rudy Giuliani would strengthen even the socially conservative agenda in the long run. As the new Fox Dynamics Poll shows, 65 percent of Americans would be “comfortable” with a Rudy Giuliani administration. Being comfortable is a major step in the right direction. Americans might actually listen to him when gives the State of the Union (without a teleprompter no less, as he usually speaks with note cards or does so extemporaneously). A Giuliani administration that would focus on fighting the Islamic Extremists, reducing the size and scope of government, handling crisis, and putting strict constructionists on the bench who will interpret the law properly will draw more support from more people in the short term. This will translate to more understanding of conservative policies on other matters because individuals will have more patience to read the conservative ramblings of columnists and pundits. In the long run, as a result this will turn into more votes. As Winston Churchill is often quoted, "If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain"...

Due to the challenges facing this country, this election cycle we Republicans need to nominate someone with an actual record of accomplishment of tackling seemingly intractable problems. As George Will said on “This Week,” “His eight years as mayor of New York were the most successful episode of conservative governance in this country in the last 50 years, on welfare and crime particularly." Giuliani, more than any other candidate (Romney comes the closest) has the record of taking on major institutions and reforming them.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; bluestate; burnnycburn; elections; goombah; guiliani; liberal; medialies; mussoliniclone; nonchristian; notanythingwrongwit; nyscks; rudy; rudysroomate; socialist
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To: Blackirish; Extremely Extreme Extremist
Unfortunatly it's logic will be wasted on the single issue voters.
True. Even multiple issue voters. Guns. Gays. God. RTKBA. Even simple stuff like corruption. Rudy is partners with the corrupt Mister Kerik. All of those single issues togetehr make Rino Rudy a non-starter for many single issue voters. Absent our support, he fails.
101 posted on 02/04/2007 1:42:37 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Blackirish
Dont get me wrong. Ill vote for the guy if hes the nominee but are they still single issue voters if they disagree with him on 3 or more issues? Abortion, gun control, gay marriage, immigration etc?
102 posted on 02/04/2007 1:42:46 PM PST by mthom
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

"Achieving traditional gender roles by transvestite means! :-P"

Ouch! That landed right on the chin!


103 posted on 02/04/2007 1:43:33 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: CobaltBlue; AnalogReigns; OMalley; bradthebuilder; Mrs. Don-o; Knitting A Conundrum; do the dhue; ..
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic Ping List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to all note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of interest.

"Abortion ... [is] not federal issues."
It ought not be, but thanks to Roe and Doe, it is. Rudy's track record of appointing liberals makes him a non-starter for social conservatives.
104 posted on 02/04/2007 1:45:46 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses; Irish_Thatcherite
"Achieving traditional gender roles by transvestite means! :-P"

I just caught that...

Margaret, you shameless hussy!

105 posted on 02/04/2007 1:46:10 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Torie

I'm just saying that God made Adam for Eve, not Steve.

And that isn't ever going to change. Fact is, you don't have a scrap of credible science to prove otherwise, and never will.


106 posted on 02/04/2007 1:48:42 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: EternalVigilance

True. I'm not a scientist.


107 posted on 02/04/2007 1:49:20 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: mthom; Spiff

"...are they still single issue voters if they disagree with him on 3 or more issues?"

LOL, Rudy agrees with Hillary more than he does the GOP Platform. THAT is the SINGLE issue that will close out his dreams of the White House. Even if he does look better in a dress than she does.


108 posted on 02/04/2007 1:49:30 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Torie; EternalVigilance

"True. I'm not a scientist."

And yet you try and use psuedo-scientific arguments to favor abortion. Hmmmm......


109 posted on 02/04/2007 1:50:36 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses
Rudy agrees with Hillary more than he does the GOP Platform

That's a mouthful.

110 posted on 02/04/2007 1:51:32 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: CobaltBlue

Obviously they should not be federal issues...but guess what? THEY ARE!


111 posted on 02/04/2007 1:52:21 PM PST by caffe (please, no more consensus)
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To: Clintonfatigued

If Rudy would be good for social conservatism, Hillary surely would be outstanding. / sarc


112 posted on 02/04/2007 1:52:26 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: CobaltBlue
The Founders, who learned their history lessons from educated teachers, learned that the admixture of religion and politics doesn't really advance either one, and we wind up with the worst of both.
The Founding Fathers 'admixed' religion and politics often. Look up the Virginia Statute on Sodomy and note Thomas Jefferson's hand in the creation of same. Maybe you were unaware that almost half of the original 13 States had mandantory taxes collected to support organized religion.
113 posted on 02/04/2007 1:52:54 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: narses

That's a tenditious characterization. I am shocked, just shocked, that you would engage in such behavior.


114 posted on 02/04/2007 1:53:03 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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To: Torie

Can you name me one nation in history that has not been near its own destruction, once it degenerated to the point that homosexual behavior became acceptable?


115 posted on 02/04/2007 1:53:10 PM PST by EternalVigilance (With Republicans like these, who needs Democrats?)
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To: JCEccles

Rudy looks better in a dress.


116 posted on 02/04/2007 1:53:23 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: EternalVigilance

England?


117 posted on 02/04/2007 1:53:58 PM PST by narses ("Freedom is about authority." - Rudolph Giuliani)
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To: Clintonfatigued

"Fought crime in Gotham better than Batman"

Thats great. We already have a nickname for President Giuliani - Batman.


118 posted on 02/04/2007 1:55:30 PM PST by NorthEastRepublican
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To: EternalVigilance; CobaltBlue
...the idea that marriage issues are not federal ones is completely destroyed by the fact that Congress quite explicitly legislated that several states could not even enter, or stay within, the Union unless and until they forsook plural marriage.

98 U.S. 145

REYNOLDS

v.

UNITED STATES.

October Term, 1878

"...Laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices. Suppose one believed that human sacrifices were a necessary part of religious worship, would it be seriously contended that the civil government under which he lived could not interfere to prevent a sacrifice?

...Can a man excuse his practices to the contrary because of his religious belief? [98 U.S. 145, 167] To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself. Government could exist only in name under such circumstances."


119 posted on 02/04/2007 1:56:02 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: EternalVigilance; AntiGuv
I don't think there is any causal relationship. The ancient Greeks "always" found certain forms of homosexuality acceptable, and they had their ups and downs. But I am not the expert on such matters. There is somebody who is however.

By the way the Muslims are hard line against gays, and their civilizations in general have not been doing too well.

120 posted on 02/04/2007 1:56:04 PM PST by Torie (The real facts can sometimes be inconvenient things)
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