[EternalVigilance]

Can you name me one nation in history that has not been near its own destruction, once it degenerated to the point that homosexual behavior became acceptable?

[narses]

England?

[Torie]

I don't think there is any causal relationship. The ancient Greeks "always" found certain forms of homosexuality acceptable, and they had their ups and downs. But I am not the expert on such matters. There is somebody who is however.

By the way the Muslims are hard line against gays, and their civilizations in general have not been doing too well.