[NewLand]

Liberals are more skeptical. They know capitalism will produce losers as well as winners. They feel the winners must be forced into helping the losers.

Capitalists are neither skeptical by nature nor into 're-distribution'...Liberals are selective capitalists for themselves and socialists for all others.

Liberals and conservatives do not agree on capitalism.

[photodawg]

They know capitalism will produce losers as well as winners

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Losers and winners is a political value judgment, not a description of how capitalism functions. Losers in the capitalist system are inefficient producers as defined by the free market system. As such, they are free to become more productive or move to a different market as their capital allows. Capitalism does not produce losers as well as winners. It is possible for all producers within a given industry to be profitable if they are all productive, as occurs in the Distilling business (smile).

[alrea]

Liberals are selective capitalists for themselves and socialists for all others

cahvez and mugabe are selective capitalists for themselves, socialists for others

[arthurus]

Socialism is also capitalism. Capitalism is merely the organization of surplus value, i.e. capital, for the production of more goods and more surplus value. Freemarketers do it by free trade which is far the most efficient method. Socialists do it by central allocation of surplus value- investment, which is terribly inefficient and must fail if there is no functioning freemarket system to borrow economic signals from. With that outside scale to measure against it will still fail but more slowly because while socialism is a theory of capitalism it is a false theory, like decreeing that the world is the center of the cosmos and flat because that is more convenient to the theorists.