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Gates Slams Mac Ads, Questions Mac Security
MacNN.com ^ | 2 Feb 2007

Posted on 02/02/2007 10:59:18 AM PST by big'ol_freeper

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To: UpAllNight

...actually no.

the PowerMac G3 Blue and White behind me has USB ports (was released in 1999...


201 posted on 02/02/2007 8:38:16 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Boldly Going Nowhere...)
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To: big'ol_freeper
Many industry watchers have pointed to several Windows Vista features, claiming that the operating system's latest additions are glaring copies of Apple's Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger implementations. Gates hinted that Apple is not in fact the original designer of many of those features, and encouraged all curious users to speak to Microsoft's Windows Vista development chief.

"Jim Allchin will be glad to educate you feature by feature what the truth is," Gates said. "I mean, it's fascinating, maybe we shouldn't have showed so publicly the stuff we were doing, because we knew how long the new security base was going to take us to get done."


So, he's saying that the reason Vista appears to be aping Mac OS is because the Vista developers were too lax and showed Mac people what they were doing and the Mac people copied it and got it out much more quickly because Bill and company were just sooooooooo dedicated in making sure that Vista was really, really secure? If so, isn't this an admission that the Microsoft product was a security nightmare?
202 posted on 02/03/2007 5:50:25 AM PST by aruanan
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To: UpAllNight
I already shown that you have posted falsely about haveing an ibook before they came out.

Wow, a day later, and still no correction. How sad for you.

203 posted on 02/03/2007 1:56:52 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: UpAllNight
It was the MacGuy that had to go in for the major organ transplants. USB and Intel chips so they could run WINDOWS and be compatible with the Apple IPOD!

Let's see. First computer to ship with USB native? Apple 233MHz iMac - May, 1998. . . one month before Window98 came out with USB support that actually worked.

Rather than remove all legacy ports in favor of USB, leading PC manufacturers took a "wait and see" approach and kept shipping PCs with both USB and legacy ports. In a bold move in 1998, Apple introduced the iMac, the first computer to be completely free of legacy ports. The iMac G5 family today includes USB 2.0 (480 Mbps) ports, and IEEE 1394 (FireWire) ports to handle high-speed applications.

However, most of the PCs produced today still include both USB and legacy ports side-by-side. This is in part due to the number of legacy peripherals in the market and the fact that the cost of including a legacy port is relatively low. - The USB Revolution - 3/25/2005

Apple did not switch to the Intel chips so they could run Windows. That is just a minor side effect of the change. Apple changed because IBM had reneged on its promise of 3GHz PowerPC processors and was de-emphasizing Apple in its manufacturing plans, shifting instead to support Sony's and Microsoft's GAme boxes. Besides, my G5 runs WindowsXP in VirtualPC for those times I need it.

What are you talking about re the iPod and compatibility???

204 posted on 02/04/2007 2:49:01 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: 1234; 6SJ7; Abundy; Action-America; af_vet_rr; afnamvet; Alexander Rubin; anonymous_user; ...
Sorry I missed this thread... but when it was posted I was in the Apple Store in Sacramento... PING!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

205 posted on 02/04/2007 2:57:10 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Marko413
Macs are by no means flawless. To those who think they are invincible, you obviously weren't counting the USCERTS released about Mac in 2006. There were dozens.

Mac OS X comes with a complete install of FREEBSD UNIX... and all vulnerabilities in the included UNIX apps are included in the USCERTS for Macs. A vulnerability does not translate to an exploit. Most of the USCERTS were listed only after Apple announced them with the updates that fixed them.

206 posted on 02/04/2007 3:10:11 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: APFel
My Commodore 64 is more upgradable than my Mac 6100/66. The Commodore 64 has everything that the 6100/66 offers (except the C64 offers larger HD support)PLUS some intrepid users are STILL developing for it.

That's strange, a twelve year old computer that isn't upgradeable???

The only thing is that you are wrong. The last 6100/66 that I had was upgraded to a Sonnet 210MHz G3 processor, 128MB RAM, had a 6GByte SCSI drive, and an Apple Intel 486DX-2 processor PC compatibility NuBus card with 32MB installed with Windows 95. That last item had an octopus of a cord attached to it with a connector for every PC output/input. I do believe it was only running Apple OS 8.6 though. I never tried OS 9 on it.


The Apple 486DX-2 NuBus Card

Now, exactly what "legacy software" won't run??? It was the first PowerPC... but I never found ANYTHING from older Macs that failed to run.

207 posted on 02/04/2007 3:43:18 AM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: All
USB is an industry standard that was developed by systems manufactures and peripheral vendors. It was designed to replace basic serial and parallel "ports" it is faster and more capable of bidirectional communications between the system and the device. In Apples case it eventually replaced the keyboard and mouse connection.

Bottomline: Apple would support USB even if iPods never were invented.
208 posted on 02/04/2007 5:48:06 AM PST by Sunnyflorida ((Elections Matter)
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To: Swordmaker
"I was in the Apple Store in Sacramento..."

We love that place!

Just bought another video ipod. :)
Hubby and daughter have them, but I was going to make do with the first generation ipod, at least till I had problems with the old one.
Luckily, I did!

The new one should be here in a couple days!
(Ordered it on line for the free engraving.)

About the 6100/66.
Our 12 year old is still running fine.
We don't have it on line any more, but it's still nice for classic games.

Enjoying the MacBook Pro!
Pretty nifty.
209 posted on 02/04/2007 6:22:30 AM PST by MaryFromMichigan
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Unprotected PCs can expect infection in minutes
By William Jackson, GCN Staff
08/17/04 -- 10:00 AM
http://www.gcn.com/online/vol1_no1/26967-1.html

The average survival time for an unprotected networked computer dropped from 40 minutes to 20 minutes over the last year, according to the SANS Institute of Bethesda, Md.

That means that an unprotected PC can expect to become infected by a worm within 20 minutes of being connected to an unprotected network.

“The actual time it will take for a specific computer to be compromised will vary widely depending on any filters applied by the Internet Service Provider and the configuration of the operating system,” the institute said.

But the trend reflects the narrowing window of opportunity for users to adequately protect networked computers from known vulnerabilities.

Tracking down hi-tech crime
By Mark Ward
Technology Correspondent, BBC News website
Last Updated: Sunday, 8 October 2006, 23:12 GMT 00:12 UK
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5414502.stm

...at least once an hour, on average, the BBC honeypot was hit by an attack that could leave an unprotected machine unusable or turn it into a platform for attacking other PCs. Many of these attacks were by worms such as SQL.Slammer and MS.Blaster both of which first appeared in 2003.


210 posted on 02/04/2007 7:22:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Saturday, February 3, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: dmz
You find PCs in the accounting department and Macs in the marketing department.

...and you still find PC's in the engineering department where all the REAL work gets done! :)

211 posted on 02/04/2007 7:28:22 AM PST by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: steve-b

Batman IS smarter than Superman. For an invulnerable guy with super strength, Superman gets beaten up more than Rainbow Brite.


212 posted on 02/04/2007 7:37:20 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: big'ol_freeper; Swordmaker
"Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine."

signed Baghdad Bob...

213 posted on 02/04/2007 7:55:18 AM PST by tubebender ( Everything east of the San Andreas fault will eventually plunge into the Atlantic Ocean...)
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To: XR7

When I took a look at the other reasons, the author was pointing out things that have been on Macs for a while already! After getting my Mac, the only reason I had for a Windows machine is to run software I need Windows for - and now I don't even need that with Parallels... It is a different MacWorld out there now. I am someone who never would have switched to a Mac and now I don't think I'll ever go back to Windows.


214 posted on 02/04/2007 9:13:37 AM PST by Bookwoman
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To: Swordmaker
This is in part due to the number of legacy peripherals in the market and the fact that the cost of including a legacy port is relatively low

I haven't seen a parallel or serial device on store shelves in years. I stopped using my last one years ago when I replaced my parallel Zip 100 drive with a USB Zip 250. Plus, there is a cost to including these -- size. Lack of legacy ports is one reason the Macbooks are so much smaller than their competition.

215 posted on 02/04/2007 10:05:27 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Andonius_99
...and you still find PC's in the engineering department where all the REAL work gets done! :)

Going further, you'll find the Macs (or Linux) in the supercomputing department where the REAL number crunching gets done.

216 posted on 02/04/2007 10:09:25 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: UpAllNight
No. Apple MAC went with the USB to be compatible with the Apple IPOD. All the Mac users were complaining that they couldn't hook up their Apple Ipods to their Apple Macs.

Wow. I don't think it would be humanly possible to fit more incorrect statements in that many words.

Apple dumped RS-232 ports in favor of USB starting with the iMac in 1999. The first iPod wasn't introduced until 2001, and it used firewire, not USB. USB was added as an option in 2002 to expand its usability to Windows, not Mac, users. iPods connected to Macs from day one.

217 posted on 02/04/2007 10:24:22 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: UpAllNight
The USB ibook (not imac) came out in 2001.

The first-generation "clamshell" iBook was released in 1999 and had one USB port. that was a year after the first-revision iMac came out in 1998 (not 1999 as I erroneously reported earlier) with two USB ports. Every Mac model released since the iMac has had at least one USB port.

The whole drive behind the USB on the mac was because they designed the IPOD with the USB.

They designed the iPod with firewire. USB became available when they switched to a dock connector that could -- and still can -- take either USB or firewire cables. The first-generation iPod used firewire because the then-current USB spec didn't provide enough power to allow data and charging through one cable.

Do you never tire of spouting off when you have no idea what you're talking about?

218 posted on 02/04/2007 10:39:38 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: UpAllNight
Incorrect. The first was the 2001 USB ibook.

You're wrong,

That is why they used the USB in the name because it was the first one.

Wrong again. Apple called it the iBook, period. It's sometimes described as the DUAL USB iBook to distinguish it from the earlier models, which had only one.

219 posted on 02/04/2007 10:43:26 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: big'ol_freeper
"I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine."

That's going to come back to haunt him, and I don't think it's going to take long. Wow that was stupid on his part.

220 posted on 02/04/2007 10:48:41 AM PST by KoRn
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