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Gates Slams Mac Ads, Questions Mac Security
MacNN.com ^ | 2 Feb 2007

Posted on 02/02/2007 10:59:18 AM PST by big'ol_freeper

Microsoft co-founder and former CEO Bill Gates has openly criticized Apple's 'Get a Mac' ads, called the company a liar, and questioned the security of Apple's Mac OS X operating system. In a recent interview with Newsweek, Gates compared Microsoft's recently released security-oriented Windows Vista to Apple's Mac OS X: "We made it way harder for guys to do exploits," Gates said, referring to Windows Vista. "The number [of violations] will be way less because we've done some dramatic things [to improve security] in the code base. Apple hasn't done any of those things." The executive also referenced the frequent discovery of flaws in Mac OS X. "Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine." Gates was likely referring to the 'Month of Apple Bugs' project -- which came under intense criticism this week for exploiting Safari users attempting to view a freshly-discovered bug.

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KEYWORDS: computers; mac; micrsoft
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To: UpAllNight
No. Apple MAC went with the USB to be compatible with the Apple IPOD. All the Mac users were complaining that they couldn't hook up their Apple Ipods to their Apple Macs.

I'm afraid you've fallen victim to some FUD. Apples have included USB ports since the candy colored iMacs. That was before the intro of the iPod.

161 posted on 02/02/2007 3:12:35 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: AFreeBird
No W2K/XP drivers will work for Vista.

LMAO, do you really believe that is true? Where do you get such laughable stuff?

162 posted on 02/02/2007 3:31:32 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Deo volente; All

You heard the challenge hackers, beat the once a month hack rate!


163 posted on 02/02/2007 3:45:07 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: UpAllNight
Like their 'camera' add where they say you can only get an installed camera on a Mac. Nothing to do with the OS and blatently false. Lots of PC's come with cameras installed in the laptops.

Why does it have to have something to do with the OS? In case it escaped your notice, Apple sells hardware as well. And your "only" qualifier is a lie and a strawman. Yes, many PC laptops have cameras, but many don't, including the hapless "PC" getting one installed. It is a selling point that the low-end laptops from Apple do.

The whole campaign is about ease of use and lack of hassles. Including a camera that functions automatically with the integrated software is an example.

164 posted on 02/02/2007 3:46:53 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: Halgr
Windows is a monopoly

Linux is a viable alternative

You contradict yourself, sir.

APf

165 posted on 02/02/2007 3:48:43 PM PST by APFel (Regnum Nostrum Crescit)
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To: longtermmemmory

But who's offering cold cash like this?

http://labs.idefense.com/vcp/challenge.php#more_q1+2007%3A+vulnerability+challenge

Challenge Focus: Remote Arbitrary Code Execution

Vulnerabilities in Vista & IE 7.0
Time Period: Q1, 2007
Prize Amount: $8,000 - $12,000
Submission Deadline: Before Midnight EST on March 31, 2007

Vulnerability Challenge:

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To help assuage this uncertainty, iDefense Labs is pleased to announce the Q1, 2007 quarterly challenge. iDefense will pay $8,000 for each submitted vulnerability that allows an attacker to remotely exploit and execute arbitrary code on either of these two products.


166 posted on 02/02/2007 3:48:52 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: APFel
I tried to install OS9 on it. The hardware would not allow it. Not that it matters.

What do you mean "the hardware would not allow it"? A quick Google search shows plenty of people running OS9 on 6100s, but there is an Apple document indicating that you need the actual CD to install 9.1.

167 posted on 02/02/2007 4:00:04 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: UpAllNight

You must be confused. Apple had better USB support than PCs for quite some time.

For the record after a liftime of PCs, we bought our first iMac 24" Dual Core Intel machine yesterday.

I am a software developer, and this is the best PC I have ever owned. It is faster, more agile and more intuitive than Windows XP. I won't comment on Vista as I haven't run it yet.


168 posted on 02/02/2007 4:07:16 PM PST by rom
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To: Ktulu
Sorry friend, you are wrong. You don't understand advertising and I believe that you are only lying to yourself.

That's an awfully risky claim to make, considering how much of the advertising industry is dominated by Apple users. Perhaps, in your superior wisdom, you can create a campaign that is more effective than the current one. As to those out there who take symbolic "mettafers"* too seriously, see my tagline. For every person out there who thinks they are being called stodgy, there are 10 PC users who think, "Yeah, I have had an experience just like that with my stodgy PC."

*"It's a mettafer, Chris! You do know what a mettafer is, don'tcha?" --Zell Miller

169 posted on 02/02/2007 4:07:57 PM PST by LexBaird (98% satisfaction guaranteed. There's just no pleasing some people.)
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To: LexBaird

Don't bother posting to him. He has already declared, without a hint of arrogance, that class is dismissed.


170 posted on 02/02/2007 4:13:27 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Other things I like about OS X (coming from Windows):

o A real command shell, I love being able to use Unix shells on this machine. Very nice.

o The Spotlight search utility. That thing is super fast, and without having to browse through Finder/Explorer I can be at a file after typing a few characters of its name. Much less time than actually browsing through the file system usually. Command + Space is a great shortcut for it too.

o Not sure what its called technically, but the breakout view where you can see all of your running windows at a time. That thing is a wonderful way to "declutter" your desktop when you want to switch to a new task.

o Installations being nothing more than a drag to the applications folder. That was a revelation after cumbersome Windows Installers.

o Built in applications that are fairly nice.

o Easy install of X11 -- and then subsequently OpenOffice. Heck, I feel like I'm back on a Unix workstation again!

o XCode -- built in development environment, with profilers for OpenGL and the like also as tools that came on the CD.

o Built in WiFi and BlueTooth (HW, not SW issue). The built in video camera took me by surprise (didn't realize it had it). My wife and I played around with Photo Booth last nite. Cute.

o The widgets are cool, but hardly unique to the OS. Tied in nicely seamlessly though.

All in all, I'm having a blast. Installing Parallels later to run Windows XP side-by-side should be a blast, and there's always Boot Camp if I want to dual boot XP.

For the record though? I don't care for the Mac vs. PC commercials. I always end up feeling for the PC guy, and wish the snobby Mac guy would leave him alone. But then I bought a Mac yesterday ;)


171 posted on 02/02/2007 4:16:11 PM PST by rom
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep
http://web.mit.edu/is/isnews/v15/n04/150408.html

While you can run Mac OS 9 on first-generation Power Macintoshes such as the 6100, 7100, and 8100 series, IS does not recommend it. These systems have slow processors and limited memory expansion capabilities, so they aren't good candidates for Mac OS 9. With this class of hardware, your best course of action would be to buy new computers, which have Mac OS 9 preinstalled. If that's not possible, stay with an older operating system. IS supports versions of the Mac OS going back to 8.1.

After a "quick Google search" I have found very FEW people using OS9.X on a 6100. All I see are endless documents saying that it is "possible".

NOT THE 6100 I OWN.

In fact, I see very few people using a 6100 at all anymore, as it is virtually unupgradeable.

APf

172 posted on 02/02/2007 4:16:41 PM PST by APFel (Regnum Nostrum Crescit)
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To: rom
Not sure what its called technically, but the breakout view where you can see all of your running windows at a time. That thing is a wonderful way to "declutter" your desktop when you want to switch to a new task.

Expose.

I run a knockoff on my XP called TopDesk. It is a simply brilliant design.

173 posted on 02/02/2007 4:19:48 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: Petronski
But the choice of the word "lying" was yours.

No it wasn't, I just searched for the word "lying" and you said this first:

Of course you don't mean to insinuate I'm lying.

Looks like you brought it up first, and this ain't even my argument. But, if you'll lie about that...

174 posted on 02/02/2007 4:29:52 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: APFel
In fact, I see very few people using a 6100 at all anymore

You don't see many people driving Stanley Steamers anymore, either, but you're doing the equivalent of complaining that you can't burn leaded gas in one.

175 posted on 02/02/2007 4:37:36 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep
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To: APFel

Looks like we have a MS employee here....;-)

Everyone uses windows because everyone else in the business world uses it...it is a monopoly...you can't deny that.

I see people getting fed up with bloatware and looking for alternatives.

I'll be one of them.

No I don't think that Windows will go away in the business demographic for a while....its too well entrenched...but I see lots of individual consumers moving away from Windows.

Time will tell.

I will not move to VISTA.....;-)


176 posted on 02/02/2007 4:39:37 PM PST by Halgr (Once a Marine, always a Marine - Semper Fi)
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To: Petronski

Thanks for the assist (re: Expose) and also for telling me about TopDesk! Now I'll have to make sure my Windows boxes have it. It is a wonderful idea.


177 posted on 02/02/2007 4:44:11 PM PST by rom
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To: Golden Eagle
I stated that he was not insinuating I was lying. Later he stated I was lying. Then again, the question was not who used the word first, the question was his denial, which is proven patently false.

And of course this is also your argument, since you are the most irrationally hypersensitive Windows stalwart (pronounced "fanboy") that FR has ever known.

But, if you'll lie about that...

If I will? Do you mean to imply that I have?

178 posted on 02/02/2007 4:44:50 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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To: Petronski
Then again, the question was not who used the word first

It clearly was, when you made this claim:

But the choice of the word "lying" was yours.

Like I said, it's not even my argument, I just happened to notice this, but if you can't even argue honestly about who used the word quote "lying" first, why should you be trusted about anything else?

179 posted on 02/02/2007 4:50:45 PM PST by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
...but if you can't even argue honestly about who used the word quote "lying" first...

The question of who was first is neither what I meant nor what I said. On the question of dishonesty, your psychological projection is astounding.

180 posted on 02/02/2007 4:55:30 PM PST by Petronski (Who am I and why am I here?)
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