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NFL won't let church show game
Sports Illustrated ^ | 2/1/07 | AP

Posted on 02/01/2007 12:49:16 PM PST by Publius Valerius

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To: L98Fiero

This church wasn't making a profit. They originally planned to collect money to pay for snacks. They dropped that idea. It wasn't the money, it's that the people will be a church which will emphasise the religion of the participants.


81 posted on 02/01/2007 1:43:46 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: olivia3boys

This could be another great cash cow for the ACLU if they'll partner with the NFL. Plus they could negootiate the NFL into gagging their players' "god-talk>"talk in public. A win-win for everybody.


82 posted on 02/01/2007 1:44:47 PM PST by cookcounty (The "Greatest Generation" was also the most violent generation.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
Almost all of them: Roman Catholic, Baptist, sundry Protestant denominations, probably (guessing here) Orthodox churches (Russian, Greek, Ethiopian, Armenian, etc. varieties). Only seventh-day adventists, for a marginally mainstream group, seem to use Saturday. Furthermore, their name gives a hint that it is standard for Christians to use Sunday as the Sabbath, as they set themselves apart by calling themselves seventh-day (Saturday) adventists.

You're dead wrong here. None - or almost none - of the churches you list would refer to Sunday as a "sabbath". There is a very real difference; under the Old Covenant there were specific laws regarding activity on the sabbath. The churches you list do *not* treat Sunday that way; it's just the day they happen to have church services. Some might call it "the Lord's day", although the popularity of this view tends to be inversely related to the theological education of those holding it.

Almost every church you list would teach that we are no longer under the law, and that the sabbath laws are included in that statement. Sunday is *not* a sabbath day, and you would be very hard-pressed to find a Christian denomination that would say otherwise.

83 posted on 02/01/2007 1:44:54 PM PST by xjcsa (Ecotards annoy me.)
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To: dmz

Thanks, I see from the fourth paragraph of the linked story that the church had decided not to charge admission. Which if it had been our church typically would have been about two dollars a head.<P


84 posted on 02/01/2007 1:45:53 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.)
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To: L98Fiero
"and then charge admission to the broadcast "

Churches don't charge admission.

85 posted on 02/01/2007 1:47:02 PM PST by cookcounty (The "Greatest Generation" was also the most violent generation.)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu; cyclotic

He keeps asking you, what IS the Scriptural proscription against Sunday football? And as I posited in another post, what activities are okay and what are not on Sunday?


86 posted on 02/01/2007 1:47:28 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

the sabbath is part of the old covenant, and that being said, services are typically in the morning, not evening...

that licensing rule also means that those of us that have bigger tvs or projectors can't do that at home either I guess...


87 posted on 02/01/2007 1:47:31 PM PST by Schwaeky (Welcome to America--Now speak English or LEAVE!)
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To: cookcounty
Churches don't charge admission.

Then what are those plates full of money they keep passing around? :-)

(I always politely wave my hand and say, "No, thanks, I already have some money.")

88 posted on 02/01/2007 1:49:43 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: RavenATB

given their record, the super bowl will never be in Cincy (certainly not with the Bengals as one of the teams, anyway)..


89 posted on 02/01/2007 1:55:39 PM PST by Schwaeky (Welcome to America--Now speak English or LEAVE!)
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
What's a church doing showing the Super Bowl on the Sabbath? If it was on another day, that's one thing, but shouldn't they be preparing a sermon, not a football get-together?

Church is more than just sermons, young Jedi Master.

90 posted on 02/01/2007 1:59:49 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Publius Valerius
But the NFL objected to the church's plans to use a projector to show the game, saying the law limits it to one TV no bigger than 55 inches.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league's long-standing policy is to ban "mass out-of-home viewing"

OK. What law imposes the screen size limit? If I have a TV larger than that, I'm breaking some law regarding watching the Superbowl?!

And by what authority does the NFL 'ban' 'mass out of home viewing'?

Guess we have to show them our papers.

91 posted on 02/01/2007 2:00:00 PM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Voltage

Personally, I couldn't care less. I'll be at the theater wathcing a play. It's a great day to be out and about with small crowds.


92 posted on 02/01/2007 2:01:20 PM PST by sdillard
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To: weegee
It's clearly a double standard. "Exceptions" are the rule.

Sports bars and such pay very high cable/satellite fees based upon number of seats in their establishment. Those fees are in part passed on to the networks and also viewership at those establishments is factored into ratings.

93 posted on 02/01/2007 2:07:55 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu

It's not the New Testament that changed the day of Worship, It was the Catholic church which wanted to destroy ALL the Jewish feasts and God ordaned worship days.

The Sabath was Gods 'day of erst' after the six 'days' of creation although HE doesn't need any rest. It is for our benefit, not His.

It speaks of the soon coming 1000 year millenian reign of Jesus Christ and is to be a regular reminder of that event. It speaks of the 'seventh 'day'' which is mandated by God.

For what it's worth, the original word that has so often been interpreted as 'day' in the old testament 'could' mean day' as in an 24 hour period. It is also used to refer to an 'epoch' or 'certain' unique or well understood period of time, and could even mean thousands or millions of years in duration.

In the bible it states that a thousand years is but a day to the Lord due to His timelessness.

In regards to the Sabath being the 'day of rest', it simply differents the one thousand year 'reign of Christ' as being distinct from the 'six thousand year reign of man' which is soon coming to an end.

Remember in Genesis when God told AAdam and Eve not to eat from the 'tree of the knowledge of good and evil', and if they did, in that 'DAY' they would surely die. Adam lived to just under one Thousand years of age, again an example of 'a thousand years is but a day' to the Lord.

The current Hebrew year is 5767. The year number on the Jewish calendar represents the number of years since creation, calculated by adding up the ages of people in the Bible back to the time of creation. However, this does not necessarily mean that the universe has existed for only 5700 years as we understand years.

It is also important to realize that when the bible says that someone begat someone, the one who 'begat' could have been a grandfather and not an 'immediate father. Sometimes when recounting ones geanology, a level may be missed.

We may possibly be even further along in Gods sceme fo things than 5767 years.

Many Orthodox Jews will readily acknowledge that the first six "days" of creation are not necessarily 24-hour days (indeed, a 24-hour day would be meaningless until the creation of the sun on the fourth "day").

While the 5767 Jewish 'year' may not be a bsolutely 'perfect' or correct, it does serve to show that we are nearing the end of the 'age (or epoch) of mans rule on Earth' and rapidly approaching the 'Sabath' or Christs one thousand year millenian reign.


94 posted on 02/01/2007 2:10:10 PM PST by dglang
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
What's a church doing showing the Super Bowl on the Sabbath?

How do you know Jesus doesn't enjoy football?

Do you think Rex Judaeorum is rooting for Rex Grossman?

95 posted on 02/01/2007 2:12:52 PM PST by montag813
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To: BritExPatInFla

As long as they'e not charging for it, I don't see how the NFL has any authority to ban it.

Does this mean that I can't invite a bunch of friends and relatives to watch with me?

That the NFL knows it has no authority to do this is reflected in the fact that they are willing to let the church show it, as long as the screen isn't too big.

They're also trying to ban all tailgating within a mile of the stadium where it's being played. Now, I don't know how they intend to enforce that either. Lt's say you live half a mile away and you hvae a big party. You can't use the back yard? Who the heck died and authorized the NFL to make that decision?

They hve no right to try to control what this church can and can't do.


96 posted on 02/01/2007 2:17:49 PM PST by TBP
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To: Jedi Master Pikachu
What's a church doing showing the Super Bowl on the Sabbath? If it was on another day, that's one thing, but shouldn't they be preparing a sermon, not a football get-together?

Service is (I assume) in teh morning. The Supre Bowl is played in the evening.

97 posted on 02/01/2007 2:18:43 PM PST by TBP
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To: TBP

The tailgate rules only refer to NFL-controlled property, not private houses.


98 posted on 02/01/2007 2:20:08 PM PST by Stone Mountain
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To: Breyean
I know several people with tvs (both projection and non projection types) bigger than 55 inches. So are they violating he law by watching the game?

. If you charge admission and promote it to the general public as this church was doing, yes, you would be violating copyright law.

99 posted on 02/01/2007 2:20:33 PM PST by Ditto
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To: L98Fiero
Try promoting a big "American Idol Finale" party as such and then charge admission to the broadcast of it. Insert any major televised even for "American Idol Finale" and think about the cosequences. Hell, try it with one of your DVDs.

The church was clearly doing a no-no.

Where does it say that they were charging admission?

100 posted on 02/01/2007 2:20:54 PM PST by TBP
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