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1 posted on 01/31/2007 7:24:24 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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Great editorial rebuke to a Islamist apologist.


2 posted on 01/31/2007 7:26:45 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Well, he is right that for all the cultural left frets about "American's reputation in the world", they sure don't make us look good to any society that hasn't gone over the secular modernist deep end.


4 posted on 01/31/2007 7:43:52 PM PST by marsh_of_mists
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To: Clintonfatigued

In the past I have been an admirer of D'Souza--on some points, I still am. But he is clearly off base on the matter of how best to confront jihadism. The author, Robert Spencer, has done a very good job of pointing out the fallacies of D'Douza's reasoning.


6 posted on 01/31/2007 7:48:32 PM PST by AmericanExceptionalist (Democrats believe in discussing the full spectrum of ideas, all the way from far left to center-left)
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To: Clintonfatigued
In 1148, Muslim commander Nur ed-Din ordered the killing of every Christian in Aleppo.

As the Crusaders killed every Muslim and Jew when they captured Jerusalem.

Does this mean endorsement of attacks on civilians is part of Christian doctrine?

I am not unsympathetic with the author's basic point, but this is a really poor choice of argument. If we are going to get into a contest of atrocities, "Christians" over the centuries don't have a record that is much better than Muslims.

The difference is that "holy war" is the main point of Islam, while it is a perversion of Christianity, at least partly in imitation of Islam.

7 posted on 01/31/2007 7:58:36 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Clintonfatigued

btt


16 posted on 01/31/2007 9:28:54 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Clintonfatigued

Well, I normally agree with D'Souza. I partly agree with his premise (partly because they not only point out the liberalness/excessiveness/decay, but they also hate freedom of religion, our Republic, and our Christian roots). I do not agree on his solution.


18 posted on 01/31/2007 9:53:53 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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“the cultural left in this country is responsible for causing 9/11”

Talk about "Blame America First."

The Islamic terrorists are responsible for 9/11.

I thought we were against this crowd.
21 posted on 01/31/2007 10:54:04 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive
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To: Clintonfatigued

It also doesn't help that they seek our defeat and think the United States is the cause of evil in the world. They're the enemies within.


22 posted on 02/01/2007 12:48:12 AM PST by bushfamfan (DUNCAN HUNTER FOR PRES. 2008)
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I don't know if you read D'Souza's book yet. I have not, BUT I did see the CSPAN2 - a 3 hour in depth interview. It was excellent. It will be on again in 2 minutes.

You may want to Tivo it or watch it if you have time. It was quite interesting.

D'Souza's points that I found interesting:

1) Moderate Muslims (ones who have not yet become rabid) cannot identify with the West as represented by the NGOs, MSM and Hollywood.

2) After WW2 mainstream morality was internalized (the Me Generation - What I feel is right). Prior to that main street morality came from outside, i.e. common belief in God.

3) The US is hated in Europe because of her churchgoing morality and hated in Muslim countries because of her lack of churchgoing morality.

4) The US should advertise her more traditional beliefs to help prevent the non-rabid Muslim population for becoming rabid.
31 posted on 02/10/2007 5:57:44 AM PST by Chgogal
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Paraphrasing D'Souza - There are two camps in this country. One camp wants to win the other camp the left, Democrats, wants us to lose. Bush is fighting two enemies one abroad and one at home - the left the Democrats. Now with the Democrats in power the Muslim Terrorists have a potent secret weapon. The Insurgents NOW don't have to beat the American Military, they just have to wait until the Democrats/Left convinces, we the people, that Iraq is not worth the effort. They just have to wait until we cut and run for victory and with the Democrats in power that is much more likely.
32 posted on 02/10/2007 6:35:03 AM PST by Chgogal
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To: Clintonfatigued
France tried working with "moderate Muslims" in Algeria.

Didn't turn out so well.

36 posted on 02/10/2007 7:19:58 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass
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I can't accept the thesis of his book. It will be a long time before I read another of his books.

A perpetrator may see some action of the victim as sufficient reason to carry out the crime. However the perpetrator is fully responsible for the crime because the perpetrator committed the crime. The victim did not commit the crime.

Sometimes mental midgets use words like "his words caused me to get angry and kill him". They do not know the meaning of "Cause". It is not a cause.
The cerebrally challenged then replies: "I wouldn't have done it if he hadn't said what he said". True. But the victim's words are not the cause. The perpetrator's action is the cause.

Same reasoning applies when a rapist blames the victim for dressing immodestly. "Her short skirt made me do it". Bullfeathers. Nothing compelled him to do it.

It is common for leftists, by definition mentally deficient, to discard the idea of cause and effect, and of personal responsibility for one's actions.

This once-great author has fallen into the same trap. He is saying that the decadence in Western civilization provoked the jihadists to kill, maim, decapitate, blow up trains and airplanes, and generally act like savages.

We should clean up the decadence. We should not be proud of Brittney and Anna Nicole. We should be ashamed of them. But they are no excuse for the murder and mayhem.


42 posted on 02/20/2007 3:18:27 PM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: Clintonfatigued
I'm disappointed with this. Liberty is the premier virtue of any country - how much of it is has. Yes, countries and people can use liberty to be thoroughly stupid in some ways, and the left exploits liberty - but it is far better than the alternative the radical Islamists have.

To conclude, I'd rather have a bunch of screaming, barking leftist moonbats than a bunch of radical Muslims who think that it's all right to beat one's wife. The former are idiots. The latter are murderers.

Regards, Ivan

51 posted on 02/23/2007 6:32:54 AM PST by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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