More Anti-Mormon Sniping from the McCain Camp

My Man Mitt.com ^ | 1/31/07 | Justin

[RightSideRedux]

Romney's visit in South Carolina had a not so surprising McCain/Anti-mormon moment.

[Plutarch]

It will be.

Cryptic you are.

[LeGrande]

No dodge. By the way your quote does sound like Margaret :) She is the farthest thing from an agnostic like me. I had no idea that she would be quoted on the Internet. I could introduce you if you would like. I think she teaches a gospel doctrine class at least she used to, you could learn a lot from her.

Your quote is another example of how you subtly twist the Churches teachings. I am just guessing but I am sure you could have found a quote from her on faith and charity (she is a very outspoken person :^) ) and yet you quote what you seem to think is a shocking doctrine.

I am curious. Many people who leave the church are bitter like you. Why? You post pictures of presumably Ex-Mormons in their temple garb to be ridiculed and can be counted on to always pile on in any anti-Mormon thread. Do you feel it is your mission in life to enlighten everyone on the evils of Mormonism?

[colorcountry]

Yep. :)

[LeGrande]

YEP

That was certainly enlightening :)

I am genuinely curious, Why are you so anti LDS?

How far do you live from Hobble Creek?

[Colofornian]

Do you have a shred of evidence, a scintilla even, that Romney's religion has affected his ability to govern as Governor of Massachusetts, or running the Olympics, or being an extremely successful businessman?

To accomplish what the LDS church does world-wide takes a tremendous amount of organization. So administration-wise, many LDS leaders are some of the most savvy folks I know. [And surely this showed to a significant degree re: the Olympics in SLC]. But a president is more than an administrator. A prez is also a foreign policy leader.

So I ask: If a person is vulnerable to deception in the most important area of their life (their faith), what does that say about being vulnerable to deception about other folks' faith [for example, that religion of "peace"?]? How vulnerable might they be to misinterpreting the intentions and pretentions of terrorists? How open to deception might they be on national security issues?

Does the LDS early track record of persecution (in Ohio, Missouri, Illinois--and some would say, Utah) tend to make an LDS candidate a better candidate for handling security issues [having learned the lessons of history] or a worse one [given that LDS leaders exhibited a track record of being secure only by way of flight]?

[colorcountry]

I am not "anti" LDS. I am "pro" truth.

Never heard of Hobble Creek, but I'm about 90 Miles from Mountain Meadows.

I've never seen an agnostic supporter of the LDS Church, but there's always a first time. Oh and BTW did you know that there are about 3,000,000 members out of 6,000,000 in the US, listed by the LDS Church as members that are not active, and don't self-identify?

Just wondered if you had heard. ,)

[Colofornian]

A person's personal relationship with their God is nobody's business.

This is exactly opposite what the Lord Jesus taught.

First of all, Jesus said to go and make disciples of all nations. Therefore, their faith was to be the business of all ethnic groups in all nations. Secondly, Jesus said that folks were to know them by their fruit. Jesus was basically saying that all folks could be fruit inspectors.

[msnimje]

This is exactly opposite what the Lord Jesus taught.

You did not read my whole statement. The first part is about actions.

[SaintDismas]

Well, I certainly have a problem with the LDS church, but that's not the reason I won't vote for Mitt Romney. It's because he is from Massachusetts, and nothing coming out of there is good, at all

[Colofornian]

We are not only taught that THERE IS GOOD IN EVERY CHURCH, but we are also encouraged to never speak ill of another denomination.

Except whenever anyone in their LDS home, seminary class, Institute class, wardhouse, or stakehouse reads LDS scriptures from Joseph Smith History 1:17-20 where Joe tells us all that all of Christendom's creeds are an abomination before the Lord, and that our leaders ("professors") are "corrupt"...or when the Book of Mormon passages referring to the "church of the devil" are brought out to refer to the non-Mormon church (BoM says there are only "two" churches, not hundreds or thousands). This non-Mormon church--the church of the devil--is labeled as the whore of Babylon.

There is no way a legit LDS Member would ever put down catholics and especially not on a radio program.

Well, either those LDS scriptures are never aired over the airwaves, or I guess if you deem being coated with labels like whore, devilish, corrupt, and abominable as all being "compliments" extended our way, then on behalf of Protestants, Evangelicals, and Catholics, we thanketh thee!

[BaBaStooey]

This is all kind of funny because of McCain's campaign spreading the George W. Bush is anti-Catholic message in Michigan following the SC primary in 2000.

Any Catholic who sees what is being done to Romney and doesn't recognize it as what was done to Al Smith and Jack Kennedy hasn't learned their history.

I don't care what religion Mitt is as long as he can establish some genuine pro-life credentials, which I believe he is attempting to do.

[LeGrande]

I am not "anti" LDS. I am "pro" truth.

LOL Then why do you so staunchly try and defend anti Mormon lies?

Never heard of Hobble Creek, but I'm about 90 Miles from Mountain Meadows.

East of Springville, Which direction from Mountain Meadows? An uncle of mine is a Richardson, a direct descendant. Also mentioning Mountain Meadows is another not so subtle attack by the way.

I've never seen an agnostic supporter of the LDS Church, but there's always a first time.

Hmm, I am not much of a supporter. I actually enjoy attacking any religious belief. I just happen to feel that using the truth to attack, is a more effective method than using half truths and lies :^) I also like to have a purpose for an attack, simply trying to change someones spiritual beliefs tends to solidify their beliefs.

Just wondered if you had heard. ,)

Heard that a lot of Mormons are not active and don't self-Identify? Sure. I am not a Mormon and unlike you I don't claim to be.

Again, why the anger? If you don't want to discuss it on line, I would be happy to invite you up and we can discuss it over dinner, if you don't live too far away. Anger and bitterness, are awful things to live with.

[Colofornian]

If there were a Muslim running for President, I'd have to do some hard digging to make sure this person never had anything to do with any radical wing of Islam before I'd even consider anything he had to say on issues. I'd also not consider a satanist (I mean the kind that actually worships satan) no matter what...

This is an excellent consideration, and one I've raised on several of these threads. There are those posters who are quick to pull out the kneejerk "bigot" label, or quick to pull out the example of folks who wouldn't vote for JFK due to Catholicism. While a candidate's faith cannot be the only basis for a vote pro or con [in fact why is it that some of these posters never call a Mormon who votes for a Mormon candidate a "bigot" since that vote could also be accomplished based upon inside prejudice & favoritism?], neither can it be totally ignored.

[Plutarch]

So I ask: If a person is vulnerable to deception in...their faith

I ask for evidence of Mormon problems in Romney's record, and you provide zip. Apparently there aren't any, and you don't care if there are or not. You claim that you aprehend that latent, dormant Mormon problems will emerge when he becomes President. That isn't credible.

Dress it up how you will, what you are making clear is that you don't like the Mormon theology, and you take satisfaction in applying your animus towards a Presidential candidate of that faith.

Me, I have difficulty supporting candidates that are fat. If a guy is going to run for President, he should look the part. Basically it is a my prejudice. I'll admit it though, and not try to pretend my prejudice is something else.

[colorcountry]

It is precisely Mitt's secretive nature, and a lot of that has to do with his mormonism, is what turns me off. I like people to be truthful, I like my leaders to be truthful. I don't like people who give me "canned" answers, and I can tell that you dislike it too.

There is a hidden nature to the goings-on behind the "mormon-curtain." It wouldn't be politically expedient for me to be the one who addresses it. You have already seen the nature of the attacks against me for example; "you are bitter," "you are a hater," "your only objective is to smear mormonism," etc. etc.

Suffice it to say. I will not be the one who shows the connection between Romney and other powerbrokers within the LDS hierarchy, but there is one. If you are interested in finding the truth, you will be able to find it on your own. Start with the LA Times--when it was owned by Times Mirror, Mark Willes, Staples, Bain Capital. That will give you ground to work on. See who is behind the ownership of these corporations.

[Plutarch]

It is precisely Mitt's secretive nature, and a lot of that has to do with his mormonism, is what turns me off.

Secretive nature? What secretive nature? He appears open, candid and transparent to me. He has taken heat over his implausible pro-life conversion, but he has been upfront about that it is a change of position.

Romney made a fortune in investment capital. Did he do that through his hard work, talent and smarts, or was that the nefarious workings of the shadowy "LDS Power Brokers"?

[freeplancer]

Read President Hinckley's virtue book, speedy, then you will be informed enough to know what you are talking about and you will stop spitting out tired old arguements. Duh

[colorcountry]

I told you already. I am not the one who should comment on this.

I will remain silent.

The majority of the reasons behind my open aversion to Mitt are his RINO leanings. This is why I am not voting for him, and why I will be supporting Duncan Hunter.

This thread by its very title is about "Anti-Mormons." I have been accused very publicly here on FR of being one. This is why I entered the fray. What does this thread have to do with you?

Mitt is what he is. You are free to support him if you wish.

[cricket]

"I don't think that I could see someone who is a member of a faith so contrary to my faith having my support," said state Rep. Gloria Haskins. "

Well, I was responding here; to the post as articulated . .re comments of Gloria Haskins. She may not even be a Christian for all I know; but was commenting on her comment.

Obviously she is playing for McCain; but she is speaking, in what she believes is a Conservative voice; one that she hopes will no doubt resonate in the Christian community. . .and in a voice we have already heard from some Conservative Christians; who might be classified as the more 'Right' than 'Right'. . .so to speak.

[Utah Girl]

I just went to lds.org and searched for 'born under the covenant' and 'born in the covenant'. It is used interchangeably, in fact, it is used both ways in the same article. This is coming from one who was born under the covenant (that is what I grew up hearing mostly), but being born in the covenant is also a common phrase.