[Antoninus]

I want to win.....There is no other substitute.

That's the problem. The GOP winning with a liberal as the standard bearer is actually worse than a loss.

I've got up-close-and-personal experiences with such Phyrric victories. We had them in PA and NJ in the 1990s. And as a result, the GOP may never win another state-wide race in my lifetime, so shot-through with liberals is the Republican state apparatus in both states.

If you want to duplicate that on a national level, be my guest. But I won't help you do it. It's like helping someone you know commit suicide.

[Plutarch]

The GOP winning with a liberal as the standard bearer is actually worse than a loss.

So it is better to lose with Hunter than win with a "liberal" such as Romney?

And lose with Hunter we would. Because you can offer no evidence that Hunter has generated any appeal with anyone outside a small conservative cohort.

[Cold Heat]

The GOP winning with a liberal as the standard bearer is actually worse than a loss.

No man! It is not!

If triangulation pisses you off, you should leave political discussions and shut the door firmly behind you.

Politics is a art form and much like a chess game. The prize is the hearts and minds, or more delicately the perceptions of the mass of voters.

both parties use the device of triangulation or perception creation in a dance that is performed every two years.

You cannot change the fact that it is used, You cannot change politics in a way that makes triangulation unneeded and unused.

Politics is what it is and we have been doing pretty much the same things since the beginning of time. Even the Romans employed this device. Likely the Neanderthal Shaman's did as well.

You are waisting all sorts of energy and time trying to dismiss and criticize the game when the game is all we have and cannot be changed no matter how hard you try.

A total waste of energy and time.

You have two choices as a citizen political activist. You can turn your back on the system, or you work within it.

Standing in the middle of the room whining about how unfair it is will only cause others to move past you and take your position.

This is essentially what happened last November. It is essentially what will happen in 08, unless this political base gets it's act back together.

It is never how you win that is important. There are no lofty principles in politics. This is only a illusion for the masses.

Perhaps one day you will understand....but not today...