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California may ban conventional lightbulbs by 2012
Reuters on Yahoo ^ | 1/30/07 | Bernie Woodall

Posted on 01/30/2007 6:54:26 PM PST by NormsRevenge

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A California lawmaker wants to make his state the first to ban incandescent lightbulbs as part of California's groundbreaking initiatives to reduce energy use and greenhouse gases blamed for global warming.

The "How Many Legislators Does it Take to Change a Lightbulb Act" would ban incandescent lightbulbs by 2012 in favor of energy-saving compact fluorescent lightbulbs.

"Incandescent lightbulbs were first developed almost 125 years ago, and since that time they have undergone no major modifications," California Assemblyman Lloyd Levine said on Tuesday.

"Meanwhile, they remain incredibly inefficient, converting only about 5 percent of the energy they receive into light."

Levine is expected to introduce the legislation this week, his office said.

If passed, it would be another pioneering environmental effort in California, the most populous U.S. state. It became the first state to mandate cuts in greenhouse gas emissions, targeting a 25 percent reduction in emissions by 2020.

Compact fluorescent lightbulbs (CFLs) use about 25 percent of the energy of conventional lightbulbs.

Many CFLs have a spiral shape, which was introduced in 1980. By 2005, about 100 million CFLs were sold in the United States, or about 5 percent of the 2-billion-lightbulb market, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

That number could more than double this year. Wal-Mart Stores Inc. alone wants to sell 100 million CFLs at its stores by the end of 2007, the world's biggest retailer said in November.

While it will not give opinion on the possible California law, the EPA recommends CFLs.

"They save money and energy," EPA spokeswoman Enesta Jones said. "They are more convenient than other alternatives and come in different sizes and shapes to fit almost any fixture."

Also, CFLs generate 70 percent less heat than incandescent lights, Jones said.

About a fifth of the average U.S. home's electricity costs pays for lighting, which means even if CFLs initially cost more than conventional lightbulbs, consumers will save, Jones said.

A 20-watt CFL gives as much light as a 75-watt conventional bulb, and lasts 13 times longer, according to the Rocky Mountain Institute, a nonprofit group studying energy issues.

Southern California Edison, an Edison International subsidiary and one of the state's biggest utilities, runs a program that cuts the cost of a CFL by $1 to $2.50. In the past year, SCE has helped consumers buy 6 million CFLs, it said.

California Energy Commission member Arthur Rosenfeld said an average home in California will save $40 to $50 per year if CFLs replace all incandescent bulbs.

While not commenting specifically on Levine's likely legislation, Rosenfeld, winner of the Enrico Fermi Presidential Award in 2006, said the switch from incandescent bulbs became feasible about five years ago when CFL performance improved.

"This is clearly an idea whose time has come," he said.

Levine, a Democrat from Van Nuys in Los Angeles, last year introduced a bill that will become law in July that requires most grocery stores to have plastic bag recycling.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; cfl; conventional; dimbulbs; fluorescent; incandescent; lightbulbs; lloydlevine
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

You are so right. I don't look over my neighbors fences for any reason. It does seem that environmentalist seem to have a desire to keep track of numbers, quantities, degrees. We do these things out of necessity, and I just won't pay more than I have to. I do though (and this is my confession) drive to work everyday, and it is only about 5 blocks. I don't believe people cause global warming/cooling.


141 posted on 01/31/2007 4:53:23 AM PST by healy61
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To: elkfersupper

.....Can the rest of us force California to secede?.....

The term I use is purge. As in "the residents of America purged California (or especially Massachuttes) from the union."


142 posted on 01/31/2007 4:57:21 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. .... It's spit on a lefty day.)
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To: rovenstinez
Maybe candles will come back.

It seems like a few years back there was an article about Denmark banning candles in churches because of the pollution they caused indoors...
143 posted on 01/31/2007 5:59:39 AM PST by Proverbs 3-5
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To: Ramius
The new CF bulbs are much better than before, and they really do work well. I've put a bunch of them in my house in various places. And they're *very* economical.

As such, they'll gain in popularity and be used more and more without dumb laws like this. There are some places that an incandescent bulb is still the only real choice(dimmers, for example).


That's exactly my feeling - as others have pointed out, they don't do well in the cold, but otherwise these new bulbs are great. I've replaced all high-usage bulbs in my house and garage with them, and am using the old bulbs that I replaced and that are still good, in less-used fixtures. I may even donate some of my incandescents to Goodwill or something like that.

My bill has gone down slightly, but more importantly for me, being in Texas, during the summer, it will be great because it will be a lot less heat generated (which will also mean lowered bills since less A/C). I don't know if I will save as much as is claimed, but I do know the bulbs are going to pay for themselves (not to mention I don't have to keep many around since the last so dad-gum long).

Once people realize how great these things are, they will migrate to them, on their own. A lot of my friends are planning on doing so before the summer (as I mentioned, those of us in Texas are sensitive to the heat and will do whatever needed to reduce it).
144 posted on 01/31/2007 6:16:09 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Something else that's worth saying about CF bulbs is that the new ones that are just coming on the market are a whole world of difference from the stuff that was available even a couple of years ago.

There have been big improvements in light quality and brightness, instant-on, and are more compact than before.

Another big step will be new LED lights. Worth watching for. The first few iterations will likely be a little rough, but they promise to ultimately be even brighter, whiter, and still only use a tiny fraction of the power.


145 posted on 01/31/2007 6:54:15 AM PST by Ramius ([sip])
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To: HAL9000

50 bucks a bulb?!!! Boy, they better last a long time, save me lots of money, provide perfect lighting, and brew coffee if I'm going to buy any of those!


146 posted on 01/31/2007 7:02:09 AM PST by jurroppi1 ("You can lead a man to Congress, but you can't make him think." - Milton Berle)
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To: Moonman62

The problem has nothing to do with the ballast.

It's the coatings inside the tube that produce a band of light that doesn't properly stimulate the retna.


147 posted on 01/31/2007 7:16:55 AM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor

Are you referring to the spectrum, because color rendition has been greatly improved. Tubes are sold with a CRI (Color Rendition Index), and finding a cheap tube with a high number is pretty easy these days.


148 posted on 01/31/2007 7:40:57 AM PST by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Ramius
Something else that's worth saying about CF bulbs is that the new ones that are just coming on the market are a whole world of difference from the stuff that was available even a couple of years ago.

There have been big improvements in light quality and brightness, instant-on, and are more compact than before.


In the past I held off because of the cost and the brightness, but you're right the new ones are great, and they even have outdoor ones available now for a good cost (I have a light that runs all night by the side of my garage that faces an alley, and this will probably pay for itself within a few months).

Another big step will be new LED lights. Worth watching for. The first few iterations will likely be a little rough, but they promise to ultimately be even brighter, whiter, and still only use a tiny fraction of the power.

I cannot wait for these. I bought a new LED Maglite flashlight and love it - I've since upgraded all of my Maglites to LED. Can't wait for this to be available in homes as "bulbs" (it should change the way we do lighting in our homes since we won't be confined to traditional lightbulb-style lighting).

I wonder how this plays into the argument the environmentalists make about our energy needs - I read an article in one of the science magazines that because so many cities have converted their traffic lights to LEDs, that over the long-term, it's going to reduce the need for several new powerplants. I would imagine that CF and LED bulbs would push this even further.

These could, at minimum, offset the need for new plants somewhat (especially as computers began to require less power). Of course, we have more power-hungry devices now than we did 30 years ago, but our TVs are moving towards much less power-consumption, plus lighting and computing, and more efficient HVAC in general.

Many people do not realize that just the reduced heat from the CF bulbs and newer TVs alone will reduce the load on the A/C.

Of course, there will be those who hang onto the old stuff, and that's fine - some of us are gadget freaks and want the latest and greatest.
149 posted on 01/31/2007 8:09:43 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: NormsRevenge

My husband just bought a bunch of these newfangled bulbs (honey, they give off the same watts at like 1/8 the energy) and he put one in the lamp on MY nightstand. It gives out no light and I hate it. I told him to leave my lamp alone. I think it's going to come to a battle in my house.

What next, we will have to move to the Little Easy Bake Ovens for all cooking (remember the lightbulb, ladies?)


151 posted on 01/31/2007 10:46:55 AM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Moonman62

Yes, they're improved, but still nowhere good enough. They're bad for your eyes.

I use florescents far more than most do, but we have to admit their limitations. This bill is a really bad idea.


152 posted on 01/31/2007 4:14:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor
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To: NormsRevenge

Thy have already banned having a brain. So a lightbulb is a moot point.


153 posted on 01/31/2007 4:16:47 PM PST by dforest (Liberals love crisis, create crisis and then dwell on them.)
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To: NormsRevenge
So, will California then start issuing light bulb stamps to those who can't afford fluorescent bulbs? /sarc
154 posted on 01/31/2007 4:21:28 PM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless America and All who protect and preserve this Great Nation.)
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To: Moonman62
Are you referring to the spectrum, because color rendition has been greatly improved. Tubes are sold with a CRI (Color Rendition Index), and finding a cheap tube with a high number is pretty easy these days.

Are there any web sites that show the actual spectra of different fluorescent units? Not sure how the CRI is computed, but I would think it difficult to resolve spectral quality down to a single number (since different applications would attach different levels of importance to different characteristics).

155 posted on 01/31/2007 4:58:26 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: Jack Black
The movie industry, perhaps the last world dominating industry in California, should particularly appreciate this. As far as I know there are no non-incandescent lamps useful for film. For that matter even still flash's are incandescent - bye bye evening photography in Cali.

Movie studios require a lot of light, and those studio lights use a lot of power. Theatrical lighting too is usually incandescent.

Perhaps the bill should first be set up to forbid any state legislator or government worker from purchasing or otherwise newly acquiring any incandescent bulbs after July 1, 2007. If they aren't willing to live without incandescent bulbs, why should anyone else?

156 posted on 01/31/2007 5:02:23 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: supercat

CRI is a comparison of the spectral output in relation to a typical incandescent lamp. Incandescent is 100, other types show the percentage of spectrum compared to that.


157 posted on 01/31/2007 6:15:10 PM PST by Professional Engineer (Barbaro dead? Big Macs for everyone!)
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